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kett; Curraghmore, Power, infant; Inchiguoine, O'Bryen,
infant; Castle Connell, Bourke; Cahire, Butler:—25.
Archbishops and Bishops:-
The Primate of Armagh; Archbishop of Dublin; Archbishop
of Tuam; Archbishop of Cashill, Emley, Killalagh, and Ard-
conrye, in one man; Bishop of Meath and Cloghor; Bishop
of Kildare; Bishop of Osserye; Bishop of Fearnes and Laugh-
lin; Bishop of Kilmore and Ardagh; Bishop of Doune, Con-
nor, and Dromore; Bishop of Derrye; Bishop of Raphoe;
Bishop of Elfine; Bishop of Clonferte; Bishop of Limericke
and Kilfenora; Bishop of Waterford and Lismore; Bishop of
Killalowe; Bishop of Corke, Cloine, and Roscarberye; Bishop
of Kiery :—19.
Of those 44 lords spiritual and temporal, we may assure
ourselves of the 19 bishops, of the temporal lords three are
under age and five Protestants, and so we shall sway the
Upper House by seven voices.
The counties of Ireland:—In Leinster: Dublin, Kildare,
Meath, Westmeath, Longford, and Louth, will, we conceive,
return Protestants. King's County, 2; Queen's County, 2;
Wicklow, 1; Catherlaghe, 1; Kilkenny; Wexford, 1. In
Connaught; Roscommon, 1 ; Gallowaye; Mayo; Sligo, 1; Ley-
tryme, 1. In Munster: Waterford, 1; Cork, 1; Limerick;
Tiperarie; Crosse; Kiery, 2; Clare, 2. In Ulster: Monaghan,
1; Cavan, 2.; Armagh, 2.; Doune, 1 ; Antryme, 2; Colrayne,
2; Donnegall, 2; Tyrone, 2; Fermanaghe, 2. Of these
three score and six knights we may expect 33.
The ancient cities of Ireland will return Protestants, as we
conceive, Dublin,—1; Waterford, Limerick, Cork, cities
newly created, Kilkenny, Derry,–2.
Ancient borough towns which are also counties:
Drogheda, Gallowaye, Knockefergus, 2.
Ancient boroughs which are not counties, but send bur-
gesses to the Parliament: Kinsall; Youghall, 2; Kilmalocke;
Rosse; Wexford; Dungarvan; Athenrye; Tryme, 1; Athboye,
Navan; Kells; Down Patricke, 1 ; Dinglecoush; Atherdie;
Dundalk; Carlingford, 1; Swords, 1; Callane; Enistioge;
Thomastone; Clonmell; Cashall; Naas; Kildare, 1 ; Molin-
gare; Phillipstone, 2: Mariborough, 2; Fetherde.
Boroughs newly created with power to send burgesses to
the Parliament : Athlone, 1; Cavan, 1 ; Gauran.
We find that all the cities and towns before named
sent burgesses to the last Parliament, held in the time of Sir
John Perrott's government, (the city of Derry, and the towns
of Athlone, Cavan, and Gauran excepted,) which are since
that time created and enabled to send burgesses likewise.
Out of these 40 corporations we may expect 28 Protes-
tants and may hope for more, by reason many of them sent
men of that religion the last time. -
Boroughs to be erected and enabled to send burgesses to
Parliament, if it please the King :-

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Neowrye, Newtowne, in the County of Downe; Bealfast, Colraine, in the county of Antrym; Lemavady, in the county of Colrain; Donegall, Lyffer, Ballashanan, Rathmullen, in the county of Dunegall; Dunganon, Mountjoye, Omye, Strabane, in the county of Tyrone; Armagh, Charlemont, Mountnorris, in the county of Armagh; Belturbert, Lough Rawre, in the county of Cavan; Eniskillen, in the county of Fermanagh: Monahan, in the county of Monahan; Tullagh, Mallowe, Baltymore, Bandonbridge, in the county of Corke; Lysmore, in the county of Waterford; Traleghe, in the county of Kiery; Enishe, in the county of Clare; Catherlagh, in the county of Catherlagh; Roscoman, in the county of Roscoman; Curadromruske, in the county of Letryme; Sligo, in the county of Sligo; Athsketine, in the county of Limericke; Kilbeggan, in the county of Westmeath; Castlebara, in the county of Mayo; Callon, in the Queen's County; the University of Dublin. From these new corporations we may expect Protestant burgesses.

And so the Lower House consisting of 218 knights and burgesses we may expect 123 Protestants, and then we shall exceed them by 28 voices.

Signed: Arthur Chichester. Pp. 7

Endorsed: A roll of the names of the nobility, archbishops, &c., with the names of the shires, cities, and towns of Ireland which are and may be enabled to send burgesses to Parliament.

87. A CERTIFICATE of the WICE-PRESIDENT's of MUNSTER for

returning Knights and Burgesses to the Parliament out of that Province addressed to the Lord Deputy.

According to your direction I have called to my assistance such of the Council of the Province as are now resident in this city, and have entered into consideration who are the Protestant knights and burgesses meetest to be chosen in each county to serve in Parliament, which I here certify, being confident every county will make choice of one recusant, who will be at their own disposition; and although I return three for a county, yet it will be hard to get one of them to be knight of the shire, except the other two nominated join their strength and voices for the election of the third man, and that good care be had in choosing meet sheriffs and the powerful gentry of the county beforehand written unto by you and the undertakers dealt withal to make more freeholders to increase voices for that election. For the old boroughs there is hope to get one burgess returned out of each of the towns of Youghall, Dungarvan, and Dinglecuishe, and all the rest desperate. For the new intended corporations, if they be enabled by charter to send burgesses to the Parliament, I am sure they will be wrought to return those I have named, or any other the State

1611. shall appoint, and the number of them will appear by the underwritten certificate, viz.:

Knights of the shire for Corke:—Sir Richard Moryson, Knight, Vice-President of Mounster; Sir John Jephson, Sir John FitzEdmond. Waterford :—Sir John Dowdall, Sir Richard Ayleward, Sir Richard Boyle. Lymericke:— Sir Francis Barkley, Sir Thomas Browne, George Courtney, Esq. Kerrye:—Sir Thomas Rooper, Vallentyne Browne, Esq.; James FitzMorrice. Tipperarie.—No hope of any Protestant. Crosse Tipperarie.—No hope of any Protestant. Clare:—Briann O'Bryan, Esq.; Sir Nicholas Mordant.

Burgesses for the cities.—Limericke, Waterford, Cork.—No hope of any Protestant. Burgesses for the five ancient boroughs:–Kinsale, Kilmalocke, Clonmell, Cashell, Fethard. —No hope of any conformable. Burgesses for the three towns of Youghall, Dungarvan, Dingley Cuishe. In these three towns there is hope one conformable man at the least will be chosen, for Youghall, Robert Tynt, Esq.; for Dungarvan, Richard Smyth, Esq.; for Dingley Cuishe, Stephen Ryce or John Ryce, both burgesses and Protestants.

Burgesses for the four new boroughs to be erected. Tallowe:—Edward Harris, Esq., Chief Justice of Mounster, Sir Parr Lane. Mallowe:–Sir Francis Kingsmill, if Sir John Jephson be knight of the shire otherwise Sir John, and Richard Aldworth, Esq. Baltimore:—Henry Skipwith, Esq.; John Fardwell, Esq., Attorney of Mounster. Lysmore:— Sir Francis Slingesbye, Knt.; Charles Coote, Esq.; Burgesses for the three new boroughs to be erected. Tralye:— Arthur Denny, Esq.; Jenkyn Conwaye, Esq. Ynnish.-I leave to the Earl of Thomond to certify. Askeaton:—Edmond Drew, Esq.; Roger Pyne. Bandon Bridge else Mahowne Bridge:—Henry Gosnold, Esq.; Second Justice of Mounster, Edward Beecher, Esq., Escheator of Mounster.

Signed : Rich. Moryson.

And so out of the counties by this computation there may be ten knights. Out of the old corporations three burgesses, and out of the eight new to be created, sixteen. If it be so, the Protestants will exceed them six voices.

Copy. Pp. 3. Endorsed. Oct. 1611.

Vol. 629, p. 48. 88. A DUPLICATE SHEET endorsed in Lo. Carew's handwriting.

Sir Richard Morison. His opinion of the knights and burgesses that will be chosen in Mounster when the Parliament

is summoned, 1611.
This is a duplicate of that which I am to show the Lords.

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1611. Nov. 8. 89, EDWARD HAYES to the LORD CAREW, Wice-Chamberlain to Vol. 607, p. 246. the Queen.

For your welcome out of Ireland I offer to your consideration a project which may procure much happiness unto that kingdom, for which now, and at other times, you have taken many painful journeys and passed sundry perils and spent infinite thoughts. The happiness of a kingdom consisteth chiefly in two points, namely, in true religion which furnisheth the mind with all virtues, next, in acquiring of wealth. For the last, the well and skilful ordering of a mint is a fundamental point and corner-stone to build the public weal upon. I have so cast the business that the King and state of Ireland receiving benefit, you shall also have as much to dispose of de claro as I have set down for the King, which in two years or little more cannot be less than 10 thousand pounds, the mysteries whereof I will lay down simply and directly to you on whom I will attend within a day or two after you have considered the motion. Meanwhile you will be pleased to silence it until all objections shall be resolved that my Lord Treasurer may be satisfied in every point.

P. 1. Signed. Add. Endd.

EDWARD HAYES to LORD CAREW.

Dec. 7. 90. Since I was with you I have been in the county and not had Vol. 607, p. 248. time to resolve the main objections you made against my project for a mint in Ireland. The objections were two:

1. That red moneys would hardly be admitted.

2. That importation overbalanced the exportation of Ireland.

1 Objection.—Though small copper moneys would be very beneficial for the King and convenient for the common people in their petty commutations, I will not insist thereupon, knowing other ways to supply Ireland with small monies valuable and manuable according to their own standard.

2 Objection.—I grant that from England the importation is greater than the exportation of Ireland, because Ireland hath not commodity of many sorts to fit England, as England hath to serve Ireland, especially Dublin, the seat of their state, which is supplied from hence with cloth and all sorts of Flemish wares or lawns, cambrics, &c., which for the most part are answered and levelled by monies, and will evermore keep Ireland poor until some remedy be found. The case stands otherwise between Ireland and Spain, for Ireland yields and may increase a multitude of commodities whereof Spain and its dominions stand in great need, namely, corn, fish, bacon, hides, tallow, fells, wax, pipe staves, &c., for which money will be returned out of Spain.

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The intercourses, therefore, between the Kingdoms of England, Ireland, and Spain will be maintained and continued by the following courses to the great enriching both of England and Ireland:

1. A mint to be erected in Dublin, that all foreign coins and bullion of gold and silver imported may be converted into Irish monies, and no other monies be current within that kingdom.

2. That according to ancient laws, no monies, gold, or silver, &c., shall be transported out of England into Ireland, nor from thence hither, neither the monies of either kingdom to be current within the other.

3. That exchanges may be held between both kingdoms in Dublin for Ireland, and in London for England, for which the British Burse would be a place very convenient, and both Exchanges must hold correspondence and partnership.

4. That the English Burse or Exchange may hold a factory or factories in Spain and elsewhere as shall be needful. Whereupon the commodities or intercourses between those three kingdoms will be in manner following: For instance, an Irish merchant delivers 100l. upon the Irish Exchange to receive upon the Exchange here in England, wherewith he buys cloth and other commodities to carry into Ireland. And so continues his trade between England and Ireland without sending away their monies. The Irish Burse or Exchange Masters who received the 100l. must then deliver the same out again to merchants that are to buy and carry Irish commodities into Spain, or else they must send commodities themselves to Spain, and there pay unto the English factory the 100l. in Spanish monies to answer the 100l. which the Irish merchant received in England. So the trade is held between England and Ireland, and England shall both vend the cloth and receive monies from Spain by its factories, which now it does not by the means of Ireland but only English monies are turned to and fro, without any increase of treasure to either kingdom. Now, as by these means Ireland shall retain the gold and silver which it already possesses, and whatsoever besides shall be imported hereafter, so for further increase of treasure it may be ordained, that according to the ancient manner in England upon every sack of wool exported, to return 7 marks sterling. So for corn, fish, or any sort of victuals to be exported from Ireland, the merchants shall be bound to return one-third part or more or less, of the value in Spanish money, for which they shall receive good and lawful exchange in current money of Ireland being brought to the King's Exchanges allowed in every port. The wardens and officers of the Exchange shall bring all

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