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“ had no adviser on the point of requesting the ; 1807. “ pledge. That he did not believe the King had “ any adviser: and he did not think, the country “ would believe, that the King had any adviser on " that point.” Sir Samuel Romilly insisted, that it was of the greatest importance to the King, that the doctrine of responsible advisers should be maintained. History had unfolded the evils resulting from the prevalence of a contrary principle. It had been asserted by the mover of the previous question, that Ministers liad not entered into any pledge, that they would not give his Majesty any advice on the subject of the Catholics. Now as the late ministers were disinissed, because they refused this pledge, either the pledge on the part of the present ministers was implied, or they had deceived his Majesty : for it was not pretended, that his Majesty had any objection to his late ministers, except the difference of opinion, which occurred upon this subject.

On the 13th of April, the Marquis of Stafford Marquis of made a motion in the House of Lords of a similar motion in tendency, though of greater extent, than that of Mr. Brand's in the Cominons. This was meant

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• The motion was expressed in the following words. « This Ilouse, feeling the necessity of a firm and stable administration at this very important crisis of public affairs, resolve, that it is impossible to view, without the deepest regret, the change, that has recently taken place in his Majesty's councils; which regret is considerably encreased by the causes, to which that change bas been ascribed; it being the opinion of this llouse, that it is the first duty of the responsible ministers of the crown to restrain themselves by any pledge, expressed or implied, fiora

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, as a trial of strength in the Upper House. It was

warmly debated till seven o'clock in the morning,
when Lord Borrington's motion for adjournment,
was carried by a majority in favour of ministers of
81: 90 having voted for the motion, and 171 for
the adjournment. This debate furnished some mat-
ter of peculiar importance to Ireland. Lord Hard-
wicke was the first on his legs to support the mo.
tion. He had recently been closeted with his So-
vereign, and although much of their communica-
tions may have faithfully gone forth to the public:
much also has probably been kept back, out of de.
ficacy to the parties, whom its publication would
have affected in a disagreeable manner. Whoever
reflects upon the anxious ardous, with which the
noble Earl laboured throughout his speech to re-
move from the shoulders of his friends the imputa-
tion of intended imposition on the royal mind, will
naturally (perhaps erroneously, certainly not rashly)
conclude, that his Majesty had been advised, and
that deception had been practised with full design.
Lord Grenville having lately spoken so fully to the
general subject, said but little on this occasion.
That little however involved much with reference
to Ireland. ". With respect to the trite question,
" why he introduced the bill if not necessary, and
" if necessary, why he abandoned it ? Ile referred
" them to Lord Castlereagh, as more conversant

giving any advice to his Majesty, which, to the best of their judgment, in the course of circumstances they may think necessary, for the honor of his Majesty's crown and the security of his dominions."

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“ with the solution of difficulties arising from ter- *1807. "giversation, and who had imported the question “ from Ireland, for the carrying of which, he 16. stood pledged to that country*! .: A thirdand last; though a still more ineffectúal Mr. Lyttle struggle, was made to retain the ministers in their tion and situations: for notwithstanding the new appoint-speech,

Mr. Tigle's -ments, the old ministers held a language little short of that, which could only be justified by possessing the public confidence of the Sovereign. Mr. Lyttleton on the 15th of April, moved accord ing to notice in the House of Commons ;.“ That " this House considering a:firm and vigilant ad14 ministration indispensible in the present posture .." of public affairs, has seen with the greatest re“ gret the late change in his Majesty's councils.” This too was a long and heated debate. At séven o'clock in the morning on the division, the minister had an encreased majority: viz. .46: for the previous question 244, against it 198. This debate brought forth more information concerning Ireland, than either of the two former. Mr. Tighe, who strenuously supported the motion, felt hiniself particularly called upon to take a part in that debate, as the county he had the honor to represent, was even in danger of having its tranquillity affected by the proceedings on some of the points, which were involved. The late ministers

::* It is not to be forgotten, that Lord Grenville was a co-ope-
rative leader with Mr. Pitt in that administration, of which Lord
Castlereagh, then a secondary, gave the pledge on behalf of his
principals.
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had conducted themselves in a manner, which had done them much honor, and given great satisfaction to the country. He thought them particularly to be commended for the constitutional principle, on which they had retired from office, refusing to give a pledge inconsistent with their duty, He condemned the cry of the church being in danger, and reprobated particularly the address to the inhabitants of Northampton by Mr. Perceval*. He insisted on the pledges halden out by the government pamphlet, and by the speech of Mr. Pitt on the question of the Union. All the prostitution of the public revenue, seats in. parliament, of officers of the law, of the dignities of the church, and of the peerage itself, which had been lavished on that occasion, would have failed, if the Catholic bishops had not been induced to influence their priests, and the priests to influence the people to agree to the Union. The tranquillity of Ireland must be materially affected by the reinoval of the Duke of

.* Of that address of the new Minister to his constituents, Sir Samuel Romilly thus spoke in the debate on Mr. Brand's motion. ** A cry has been raised, that the church is in danger; .** that we are threatened with the times, when the streets' ran “ with blood. The mischief of this expedient, is so great, it is " with deep concern, I find it resorted to. It is with deep con“ cern I have seen papers published, particularly an advertise** ment in a newspaper, by a Right Hon. Gentlenian opposite "(Mr. Perceval), stating, that it was become necessary for him us to stand by his Sovereign; that he was making a stand for the • Protestant religion, and calling on the people to second him “ with their exertions," :;:;! á.

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apprehending any alarming disturbance, because the people of Ireland had been a customed to view with cold determined apathy all changes in admi. nistration here, as none of those changes were attended with any benefit to them, Rew recruits were to be had in the South or in the West, we cause there was no security for the free exercise of

religion. Some years ago, a gentleman had got s some men in his neighbourhood, upon his own - pledge and the pledge of a magistraţe, that they E should always be allowed the free exercise of their = religion ; but when they arrived at their quarters

in the Isle of Wight, they were compelled to at:

tend the Protestant worship, and forbidden eyer to e attend a neighbouring chapel of their own, un

der pain of military punishment. Consequently - the recruiting proceeded but slowly in Ireland,

i though the country were poor, and the bounties Ei offered extravagantly high. Since the Union, Ire

land had felt po community of rights, no commu: nity of commerce; the only community it felt, was that of having one hundred assessors in the British parliament, who were to give ineffectual votes for the interest of their country, as he might do that night. ..

Mr. Gore lamented the effects of the mild sys- Mr. Gore's tem of the Duke of Bedford. That system had *peesh. led to the murder of five men in 'one county, in which 25 men were then in prison for disaffection. If such were the effects of the mild system of the Duke of Bedford, he thought it high tiine to in

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