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many who wished for a reform with the same amount, at the disposal of out affecting the constitutional re- the crown, for that purpose, by way presentation of the house, and it of annuities and pensions. To tuo was for the sake of this great majo- right hon. gentlemen (Messrs, Percerity of the country, that he was val and Yorke) he puid the highest anxious the house should do some- trihute of praise for giving up, or thing, to shew that they possesserl rather foregoing, on account of the every inclination to accede to their situation of the country, certain pewishes. If the house did not accede cuniary considerations to which therr to these moderate wishes, there was offices intitled them. The way ia a danger of forcing this class of mo- which sinecures were disposed of. derate reformers to join their ene- he contended, did not add so much mies, which ought, if possible, to to the influence of the crown as at be avoided. The house would have first sight appeared; for the persons no better opportunity of shewing its recciving those sinecures would in disposition than now, and of demont- general be subservient rather to the strating to the country that it de persons who gave them, who might served to be trusted. Sinecure offi- next day be in opposition to the ga ces were admitted of themselves to vernment, than to the crown, from be unnecessary, having no duties whom they did not directly receive attached to them. They originally them. After combating the arguhad been efficient, but in the course ments that had been urged in favour of time other more efficient offices of sinecure places, he concluded by had been appointed, arising from stating, that his object was to have the alteration of circumstances that a committee to enquire into the offi. had taken place. These old ineffi- ces that ought to be abolished, and cient offices, however, were still con- the best means of substituting a disa tinued, and the great argument in posable fund in the room. As a their favout was, that they afforded mere indication, however, of what the erown the means of rewarding he wished, he proposed as an amendlong or signal services. It was also ment, stated that they were necessary to “ That after the words. « It is the due influence of the crown. cxpedient," in the resolution, the Though he believed the influence of remaining should be omitted, and the crown had very much increased the following inserted : “ After profrom the great increase of the reve. “ viding sufficient sums for his Manue and the necessary means of col- “ jesty to recompence the high offilecting it, anid from the necessary “ cers on the civil establishment. extensions of the army and navy, “ to abolish all offices in the reveyet he was by no means disposed to “ nue, which are without employdeprive the crown of the advantage “ ment, except those connected with that was claimed. He wished only “ his Majesty's service, and that of that this privilege should be exerci- “ the royal family." sed in a different way. It was highly Lord Milton coincided in the geproper the crown should have the neral sentiments expressed by the means of rewarding long and signal hon. member, and would support services, and of this privilege he by the motion, as he was always ready no means wished to deprive the to advocate reform and economy, crown. Instead, however, of apply- though the present proposition did ing sinecure offices to that purpose, not go so far as he could wish to which had been degraded by the see the principle carried. opinion entertained of them, he Mr. Bastard argued in favour of kould put the same fund, and to economy, and urged the abolition

of sinecures, the more of which a to think that the public acted indeman held, the more he believed he cently. It was the duty of the house would be disposed to take. He con- to secure the affections of the people, tended that the influence of the and it could not in his opinion be crown must have much increased, done more effectually than by conas the revenue of the country was ciliation. Economy was not to be now. 70 millions a year, instead of measured by money merely, but by 20 or 25, as it had been not many shewing the public that just comyears ago .

pensation was given to individuals Mr. Bathurst, Mr. Macdonald, only who had rendered service to and Mr. Long, supported the reso- the state. The use of economy was Jutions.

reforining by principles of justice · Mr. H. Thornton thought, that and reason, and by acceding to the

the various statements of bis hon. wishes of the people. friend were much mistaken. The The house having divided on Mr. professing to follow Mr. Burke in Bankes's amendment, the numbers his ideas on the subject, and not were, For the amendment, 105doing so, was an objection which Against it, 95. had been often adduced. He said While the Ayes were out, Mr. the remuneration now proposed was Bankes addressed them in the lobby. capable of applying in all cases. and stated that should the amendMr. Barke's view of sinecures was ment be carried, he should propose not extensive, he kept bis eye only the other resolutions in the printed on the great sinecures in the ex- paper, in lieu of the amendment of chequer. On this subject there were Mr. Perceval. many grounds of discontent; popu. Mr. Bankes moved an amendment larity should be thought in many to the second resolution, in subrespects true wisdom. The chief stance stating, “ That it is expedi. causes of unpopularity were the tax- ent to abolish all offices filled by .es, and the population exceeding deputy, providing also that security the means of subsistence. He sup- should be given for the due perfor. ported the resolution.

mance of the duties attached to the Mr. W. Taylor thought that the same." ; simple question was, whether the Mr. Perceval suggested to the hon. . measure invaded the prerogative of gentleman to postpore this amendthe crown or no. He was in favour ment, but Mr. Bankes persevered. of the amendment ,

The gallery was again cleared for Mr. Wilberforce contended, that a division, when the numbers were, the prejudices of mankind would be for the amendment-Ayes 1114 done away when they exercised that Noes 100--Majority for Mr. Bankes's common sense with which they were amendment 11. gifted by nature, and recognised the

Friday, June 1. immutable principles of justice which The house having resolved itself bestowed pensions on deserving objects. into a committee of supply, Mr. It was a distinct thing to make such Perceval moved, that a sum not exprovision, and was quite beside the ceeding 12,0001, be paid to Lords unpopular act of giving sinccure Glenbervie and Auckland, for their places. He recommended the neces- services as commissioners of the land. sity of endeavouring to gain the tax from the year 1799, up to the public esteem by lightening the bur- present period. thens which pressed so heavily. He Mr. Calcraft said, that, without did not think that there was so much pronouncing any opinion upon the of clamour as to induce the house particular services of these two no

ble lords, in their capacity as como that the right hon. gentlemam (Mr. missioners of the land-tax, he still Perceval) would have no objection was of opinion, that as they both to let the resolution stand over until received large pensions, and parti. the next committee of supply (Wedcularly as Lord Glenbervie held the nesday next.) office of surveyor-general of forests, After a desultory conversation bethat the country had some claim to tween Mr. Calcraft, Mr, Rose, Mrr their services in the office alluded Shaw Le Fevre, Mr. Adam, Mr. to, without being obliged to grant Brown, Sir J. Newport, Lord Milthem such specific remuneration as ton, and Mr. Tierney, it was at was now sought by the inclosed re- length agreed that the resolution it. solution of the Chancellor of the self should be postponed until the Exchequer.

next committee of supply on WedMr. Percedal did not conceive, nesday next. that merely because persons enjoyed ADDITIONAL GRANT TO THE pensions for their former public ser

CLERGY. vices, therefore the country had a Mr. Perceval moved, “ That the right to their future labours for such sum of 100,0001. be added to Queen a space of time as ten years, with- “ Annc's bounty for the benefit of out being bound to render some re- “ the poorer. clergy." --The right muneration for their trouble and re- hon. gentleman prefaced his motion sponsibility.

by stating some particulars respecto Mr. Calcraft had no notice of such ing the disposal of the 100,0001. & proposition until it was moved in voted last year, which he trusted the the committee. From what had committee would approve as a mea. passed, he did not regret the oppo. sure, tending to encourage the resisition he made to it: its principle dence of the clergy, without which, was wholly unjustifiable, and liable the bounty of parliament must fail to to be perverted to very pernicious produce the beneficial consequences purposes. It went to establish new it had in view. offices, to which emolument was at In proceeding to augment in the tached, without the consent of that first instance the smallest livings. house, and in some cases wholly the governors had acted according evading direct and positive statutes. to their usual practice under the exFor instance, Lord Glenbervie might isting rules; but he had much doubt be, as he believed he was, a meme whether this was the best inethod of ber of that house in 1799-he was proceeding. -He had called for other then appointed to a duty from which returns, with a view to give the no emolument was to accrue; but committee full information upon now, after ten years, a remuneration this subject : and particularly for a of 60001. was required for him, return of the population of every amounting to a salary of 6001. a parish, where the income of the inyear. The house ought to pause cumbent did not exceed 1501. per before it acceded to these demands annum. It was found from a vamade every session of parliament, riety of circumstances which he defor increasing the salaries of civil tailed, that these returns could not officers, at the time that it felt itself be made up, as yet, with suffiwholly unable to add to the scanty cient accuracy to be laid before the subsistence of its meritorious milita- house: but he had received such in. ry and naval officers. It should not formation from that portion of them beighten the grievances of the latter which had been prepared, as conby favouring others, when it was vinced him, and he trusted would unable to help them. He hoped convince the committee, that there


was a class of parishes, of which who resided in the parish, though not the population and consequent duty in the parsonage, and a still further was large and the income wretchedly number who resided in the neighbour inadequate, which ought to be the ing parishes, and did the duty of first objects of the liberality of par their own. Making, however, every llament, and to which he under- allowance for these, and for other de stood it was the intention of the gu- dictions where no duty, and no resia vernors to direct that bounty, in dence are required, from the number case the proposed vote should pass. of the non-residents, there must still He was informed that there were be considerable more than one half of about 493 parishes, containing a the parishes in the kingdom upon population of above 1,260,000 per- which the incumbent neither legally sons,, the aggregate income of the nor virtually resided ! incumbents of which parishes was He wished for further information about 42,0001. amounting to about upon this subject, and was very de 8d. per parishioner perannum. Each sirous of learning how far those paof these parishes contained above rishes on which the incumbent did 1000 inhabitants. But this was not not reside were supplied with resithe most striking part of the case. dent curates, whether such curates In fifteen of these parishes, in the were licensed, and if insuperable diocese of Chester alone, there was difficulties did not occur in obtain. a population of 208,000 persons, ing such information, how they were and the whole income of the incum- paid. He was satisfied that whenbents was 1315l. per annum, a- ever it was proposed to continue for mounting to 110 per parishioner a length of time the bounty of parlia. per annum. In six parishes in ano- ment to the church, there must be ther diocese which he enumerated, some review of those regulations there were 116,229 persons and an which had been lately adopted by aggregate ecclesiastical income of parliament, with a view to the resionly 4271. per annum. He trusted dence of the clergy, particularly in that with these facts before them, order to secure resident licensed cuthe committee would have no doubt' rates with a competent maintenance, that relief was indipensable, and in these cases, in which the non rethat parishes of this description sideuce of the incumbent was perought to be the first objects of it. mitted; he thought also it was well

One of the most important objects deserving consideration whether there of any measure relating to the church, should not be a review of the rules was undoubtedly to promote the resi. according to which pluralities were dence of the clergy. It appeared now permitted, perhaps with a refrom the returns for 1807-3, that ference to the distance or value of there were 11,731 benefices; of these livings which were permitted to be about 584 were dignities. The resi, held by the same incumbent, só as dents are stated to be 4412; the non- to bring the separate benefices of the residents, according to the different incumbent more within the reach of classes in the abstract, about 6100; his own superintendance; but whatand, he understood, there were about ever might be the regulations which 650, who were also non-residents, for might occur to be proposed, he various reasons not included in the begged it might be understood that abstract. At first sight therefore the he had no idea of introducing them non-residents bore to the residents a so as to affect any persons now in proportion of not much less thun 3 to possession of the preferment to which 2 ; but amongst those who were stated ihey might apply. Having thrown as non-resident were a large number out these general ideas as to the objects of future regulations, he hoped Sir J. Newport did not object to he had said enough to satisfy the the measure, but he was of opinion committee that there was a case that a fresh valuation ought to be, sufficiently urgent to induce them, made. He conceived that the fir'st without waiting for the considera- fruits must be as productive to the tion of any more extensive plan or clergy as they had been to the crown. any more accurate information, to Mr. Percevalcontended, that inuch vote the sum which he had proposed of the property referred to was lay for the objects to which it was in- property. Were it prudent to make tended to be applied.

. the higher clergy contribute to the Mr.Tierncy expressed strong doubts poorer, he thought the application with respect to the propriety of this of the tenths and first fruits would grant. The higher clergy, he said, be extremely inconvenient. This was had received all the advantage of a subject on which economy, he the increased value of the first fruits thought, would be ill-timed. The and tenths, and he saw no reason great increase of meeting houses why they should not be called on to called for some attention. There contribute to the improvement of were at present twelve thousand the inferior livings. The present places of worship of this description, session was too far advanced to which was a much greater number enter into any extended enquiry or than that of the parish churches. arrangement of this kind ;, but he It was of importance to keep pace would recommend it to ministers to at least with the dissenters. arrange some plan during the recess, Sir J. Newport said, that the that might provide for the better higher clergy should at least come payment of the poorer clergy, with forward with a voluntary gift, and out imposing any additional burdens in this way chiefly he had meant on the people. He thought such a that they should contribute to the measure would at present be ob- improvement of the poorer livings. noxious, as the taxes were already Lord Milton represented the great so much increased. The pay of the evil arising from the wantos churches army and navy remained unincreased. in large towns. There were numeand he had no doubt that it would cous chapels, it was true, in the be very unpalatable to the people to west end of the town, but these. have additional burthens imposed on from the nature of the property were them for the support of the clergy, all laid out in pews, without any when it was considered that the accommodation for the lower classes higher orders of that body were so of the people. well paid, and in a situation to af- Mr. C. W. Wynne was for a new ford an encrcase of livings to their valuation of the first fruits and inferiors.

· tenths, or a tax, instead of this, Mr. W. Smith thought the object should be imposed on the higher a very proper one ; but mentioned, clergy. They all agreed that the in. that in the county in which he lived, ferior livings ought to be raised, the (Esser) some of the clergy had talked difference was only as to the means. of collecting tythes in such a way, as The want of churches called more to make them a fourth or fifth of the loudly than any thing else for par. rents of the kingdom. He hardly liamentary interference. He did not thought a time when such doctrines think they really made use of the were maintained a proper one to load means they had. The cathedral of the country with this burthen, when St. Paul's was almost unoccupied. it might be borne by the church' re- The aisles might be converted into venues.

places of worship for the lower classes

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