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“hive in the smallest degree taken place, be fairly attributed to nobody but the per. þó for he knows that not a shilling has been ions, whore established malversation created “ dost to the public - (Hear! Hear!)-hal be suspicion. As to the press, let any one,

nu allegari n of any such lous has been , wbo is ablę, point out the passage, where the "mentioned in ihe report, and thai, in fact

conduct of Lord Melville bas bren misre; esi no quischief whatever bas resulted from senied to his disadvantage. The Morning " thais Transaction -(A xo'r of Hear! Hear! hrop che, The Times, and The Morning

from the opposition benches).-Sir, the Advertiser, have, with a degree of talent " House must be senible That it is very 100 zeal that does then great honour, es. "liile consistent with the moderation and poused the cause of the nation; but, has

candour thu oughi to accompany a se Lord Melville and the ininistry been without "rious charge of this nature, io proceed their advocates ? Has not the Morning Poil, ki wib sich violence and interrupt a men The Son, The Oracle, the Courier, and the " ber with canour. But they need not Morning Herald, been engaged in a defence "espect to interrupt nice with such noise, of his lordship from the moment his conduct

which I must consider as an attempt to was actacked? Will it be believed that the influence the passions of the Ilouse"; ard means of gyrocuring defeaders of this sort I have the less doubt on the subject, when I have been spared ? And, as to clamour,"

I recollec: the numberless misrepresenta- let the language of these latter prints be re"tions bith in and out of the blouse on this verled to; and, it any thing half só clamo

att ur; mieri-presentations wbich' have roos, so abusive, 60 menacing, so evidently been allen let wiih !o little mi chief. It intended to intimidate, can be found in any

has been siated, not only that a very con other priois, upon any occasion whatever, " siderable loss bas been sustainell, but that he will I confess, that Lord Melville has

our sramin have, ill consequence of the been unfairly treated. Of pamphlets none " transactions now before us, bein pieprnted has been published against Lord Nelville. ront receiving in proper

time the

120104 due | Even the Tenth Report itself has found po to their walau and their meritorious services. | booksejler bolil enough to furnish an edi11

(No! No! from the opposition ) There tion 10 gratity ide curiosity of the public; " has not been the slightest grounds for but, Lord Nelviile has not wanted a pam.

baying any such hing for i can saf-!y aver phleteer 10 take up lis cause', and, fiom b's that the delay of an hour his never boken performance, issuing from the shop of a place in paying such money, and ido, bookseller professedly ministerial, I will make therefore, mosi grievously, and jusily a few extracts, hence the public will te

complain, that this affnir has not been able to judge of the reasonableness of the " treated with proper cindour and modera- complaint of Mi, Canning and Mr. Pilla

tion." As to the question of actual loss to The publication alluded to is entitled, the public, and consequent additional bur. 6. Siriciure, on the Tenth Report, &c.” The dens, these trpies belong 10 i subsequent | writer iscribes the repory to "the malice, ig. head; but, who, 'till this speech was made, norable, or folly, of a quorum of colit-blod. pver heard of any

" clamour out of doors?" "eil inquisitors." He talks of the “ ca'umWho ever heard, ihut it was represented, - nies of accredited official reports." Men that ihe sailors' pay was, on account of ihese in power, he says, “ will not find that the malversations, detained from beini 1 " loose libels of the Tenth Report have had heard of any such ibing; and, if such a no " the effect of corning every mind in the tion was really entertained and propagated, " country from an experienced siatesman, wbo was to blame for is, and who would so as to wish him removed from o:lice, have been answerable for the consequences ? “ only to give place to some tyrant of the Who but those, whose crimind conduct had 96orteriluck..,..., f the Tenth Report atiorded the grounds for the suspicious, bo be ta.nous, so are the acts of Nero and whence suclu a inisrepresen'ation arose? Eul, Curlignin..... deady have they" (the after all, was it a misrepresentation? Ir bills Commissioners] - produced litle less than drawn upon Somerset House, for provisions mutirics in most of the departments in the for the navy, wele nor duly paid , if ibose, “ naval service..., The l'enin Report is, who ought to have paid bills upon the sick and fion beginning to end, almost a lisside of burt boards, did not duly pay those biils; if calie's, It is a report levelleci, not this was the case, and for years together, is it Dere'y al ihe reputajuns of the tirst and not possible, at least; nay, will any one say, "s ablese ministers of the Crown, but at ihe that it is not likely, that demands for sea “ peace and sell being of the country..... men's wages may have beeu delayed? At vill has visited the tool for victims, 10 any rale, the misrepresentation, if any, can " saiilate Ibe fusifor scandal, of a faciiou of

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hol-beacled, unlearned !ypant;...... The relative to the abuses that had been brought Commissioners would, if they could, have to light in the Treasurership of the Navy. børled the Treasurer down a precipice “ tar Tacir Mayor made them wait three days ier “ the gratification of rope gara Lords, and an answer, and then pomiponed the convening " jolly-boat ministers of sale... All sa of the Hill for ten or twelve day, longer. Ules possess a brutalthinsur Llood, which 1 has not yet been coorened; but we have " renders iliem, to a given poin', as resoluie heard no clamour. A requisition has been " in combil as if they were really brave, inde, it is said, to the Sheritf of Middlesex “ The fi:st lord at the Olunan Admiralty I call a county meeting. It has not been " Board may, in this way, be as brave as called; yet, can any man say, that there 6 Lrd St, lincaut ......Al the timirsi. has been a clamour in Middiesex? If, iniy Board it wa, with him as a fish out of dtel, 16 Melville and Pitt had been written

The loult, the lame, and the upon the doors of ile parliamení house, and "blinl, were alike indiscriminately objects upon all the walls leading to it, as " of zingeance

The Admiral y will long popery” was written immediately afier " bestand with the bloud of its viciinis. The the Roman Catholic perition was presented

reign of the Jervis's and the Markhams by Lord Gienville and Mr. Fox, then, in. " will long be notorious. ... One of ile ded, there might bave bren some ground “ first practical sidiesmen if our age and for th: complint about clamour; then, in“ nation is to be disgraced on the calumnies deed, it might have been said, the sone " and overcburged reports of a barch of dak, under hand, cowardly hiruling had been

gentlemen economists of ihe St. Vincent at work 10 prepossess the minds of the peo. “ school. ...On my soul, I do most con ple, 10 misicad them, 10 raise à

siensiously believe I have done the Cum outcry, to prevent the members of the pare “ missioners no sort of injustice.” Afteribis, lianeut froin following the unbiassed dicthe reader will not be surprised to hear the tates of their minds, and thus, by the basest author conclude with recommending a caning of al arts, to siille the voice of truth and fo: the backs of these Comnissioners. " In justice. But, by those who have espoused “p:ivale lise such violence and rudeness” The cause of the nation, against ils mighty (as the examining of Mr. Antrobus and plunderers, no such arts have been used. Mark Sproil] " would have been chastised Appeais have been made to the people and “ with a wholesome bit of bazl-tree, laid to the parliament ; but, the cause has been

on gently, up and down, under the win much too good to stand in need of the aid of os dows of the insulied parties. But, what misrepresentation. It has, indeed, been no " is done by Commissioners no man will parly matter, either in or out of doors. " think to requite by a caning."---Such Those aniongst us, who have not felt ibat has beco the language of the gentle par we had an interest in prolonging abuses, tizine of ibe feeble and oppressed Lord in protecting the plunderers of the nation, Melviile! There is, in such cases, nothing have, in truth, been pleading each of us his }.ke coming to the proof; nothing like own cause ; for, we all know, that if there citing the instances. In the Oracle news. be plunder, we must contribute towards it, paper, of the 28th ultimo, there was some every one in proportion to his means. Upon ibing in the forın of verse, accusing every this part of the subjec!, Mr. Pist did, indred, distinguished person, supposed to be hostile receive a' 07}(st seasonable rebuke from Mr. 10 Lord Melville, of the most base and Wiiberforce : “ If the right hon. geol." wicked motives, and concluding withi an said he," really regards it as clancar, be exhortation to then to find out some new “ deceives himselt most grievously. It is

falschood" wherewith to glue their hel not clamour; it is the voice of the lish raje." The Sun 01 234 ultimo ce “ sober, the honest, the thinking part of Duces those, who have written against Lord " the community, calmly, but, at the Melville, rich the pingeunre oj the law. same time, firmly, expressed." SupThis indeed, is clamour. This is, indeed,

pose, however, there had been 3 Mitte, an aliempi to iniimidile; and, I c'e'y the and even a great deal, of c'amour, op. partizans of Lord Melville and Mr. Pitt to on this occasion, could the people have point out anything resembling it in any pub been biancd? Must not sogie of bet Icario), winch bas taka-n the contrary side. recollect the time when Mr. Pirt and Vfr. The voice of the people! His that been Durdas were the champions of reform; of heard in a clamourous tone? The livery rigid integrity in office; of strict adherence of Loudon requested their Mayor 10 con 10 law ; of écono ny even to pence and farvene a Common Hall, in order to give them things ? Nay, must they not recollect

, ali opportunity of expressing their opinions

that it was upon professionis of this sort that


those two persons rose to the topmost heights lected, that Mr. Pitt proposed to introduce, of power and emolument? We have not into the eleventh resolution, the words, clamoured. Not a man of us has clamoured. contrary to the INTENTION of the law,We have only demanded justice; and, we instead of the words, “ gross violation of have, as we had a right to do, demanded se " the law, and high breach of tuty.” This curity for the future. We have been, and we is a most material point ; for, if there were are, ready to make any sacrifice that the safety room to suppose it at all probable, that the and honour of our country requires ; but

law was misunderstood by Mr. Duodas, now at the moment, when

are called

Lord Melville, I should hold myself exon for those sacrifices, shall web: tremely unjust in expressing myself as I have accused of clamouring, of indulging in June respecting that person's conduct. But, “ yulgar passion," if we complain, nay,

if the reader will follow me through a brief if we bitterly inveigh, against conduct sketch of the history of the act in question, like that of which Lord Melville has I am persuaded he will entirely acquit it of been convicted ? And, shall we be told having shown, in this respect, any want of this, too, hy Mr. Pitt, the person who calls that fairness which should ever dis!inguish on us for those sacrifices, and by Mr. Can discussions of this sort.---Towards inė ning, who does us the honour' to receive a

close of the American war, when the nation salary of four thousand a year as treasurer became sorely oppressed by the burdens ocof the navy, and, probably, six hundred a casioned thereby, petitions were, from all year more for the sinecure place mentioned parts of the country, presented to parliament, in the “ PLAIN REPLY,” and whose sisters praying for a reforin in the expenditure of are, in that publication, stated to receive ile public money. Sonre steps, towards aceach of them a pension from the public complishing this object, were taken previous exchequer ? -The Second point to be

to the dismission of Lord North. In the remarked on is, 'the object of the proposed se year 1782, Lord Rockingham being prinie lect committee. And, to know what the minister, and Mr. Fox one of the secretaries real object must bave been, we have not of state, a set of resolutions were moved by much more to do, than to recollect, that it Lord John Cavendish, and were passed by would have been composed of persons,

the House of Commons, of which resolu. none of whom ibe ministers would have bad tions the following related to the office of any objection. What could any committee

treasurer of the navy. " That it is the have discovered to add to the reasons, upon

“ opinion of this committee, that from bencewhich the House passed a censure on Lord forward the payınaster general of His Melville ? Nothing. He had been guilty Majesty's land forces, and the treasurer of of a gross violation of the law. He ac navy

for the time being, shall not ap. knowledged it. So far, therefore, the in “ ply any suin or sums of money iniprested formation was complete. Whether he had

o io them, or either of them, 10 any purpose actually participated in the profits of Mr. or advantage or interest to them elves, either Trotter was not quite proved: but it was not

directly or indirectly." Observe, that this necessary to prove that, in order to justify resolution was passed on the 181h of June, the resolutions proposed to the House. Bui, 1782, Lord Melville then being cogaged the proposed committee would have been in the correction of abuses in lodia, and Mr. every thing to Lord Melville. It would Pill being one of the loudest in the House of have procured a long delay. Other objects Commons against all sorts of malversation of importance would have come before the and of lavish expenditure. In the month of public. Fresh pieces of chalk would, pro July, 1782, a change of ministry took place. bably, have directed our aitention 10

Lord Shelburne became first lord of the treapopery" upon

the doors of the Parliament sury; and then came together, never to see House. In short, it is very likely we : boild parate in tbis world, the Right Honourable have heard no more of the Tenth Repori, at

William Pitt and the Right' tionourable least during the present session of parlia Henry Dundas, the former chancellor of ment.-

-THE THIRD point relates to the the excbequer, and the latter treasurer of the INTENTION Of ibe violated law. The Master navy. That administration did not last fo of the Rolls stated the main object of the many months. It was tollowd by that of committee to be, to inquire what was the

the Duke of Portland, Mr. fox being one real intention of the act of the 25th of the of the secretaries of state, Mr. Burke payKing, chapter 31, and whether that had master of the forces, and ihe Honourable been violated; and if violated, whether it Charles Townshend, now Lord Buyning, had been done wilfully. Of this, 100, Mr. treasurer of the navy. The reader will reCanning said much ; and, it will be recol member, that that ministry was overset by

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Mr. Pitt and Mr. Dundas; and, -that the of the bank of Englani, on accoent of the chief means by which they effected their paymaster: general of his Majesty's forces, purpose, was, an opposition to the bill pro naming such paçmaster general for the posed by Mr. Fox relating to lodia, an op tine being, the sum , for which such letter position grounded on the assertion, that, if shall be drawu upon the unsatisfied order at tbe bill passed the East-India Company the exchequer in favour of the said pay

would be reduced to a cypher; that very Com master general, fur which the receipt of the - papy, wbicb, as the Directors have now cushier or cashiers of the said governor and

openly declared in parliameot, bas been really company shall be a suficient discharge ; reduced to a cypber by the measures of Messrs. and all sums for wbich suchi letters of the Pirt and Dundas! - To return to the Duke commissioners of his Majesty treasury shall of Portland's ministry ; short as its duration be drawn, shall be issued to the governor was, Mr. Burke found time for introducing and company of the bank of England, in the bill relative to the office of paymasier of like manner as they have been heretulore the forces, which bill has been acted upon issued to the paymaster general of his Ma. in that office ever since --I shall here in jesty's forces; and all such monies só in be sert all that part of this bill which will issued to the governor and company of the apply to the present purpose ; and I beg the bank of England, shall be placed to an acreader to observe, thai, in order to forni a count to be raised inathe books of the go. true judgment, i will be necessary for him vernor and company of the said bank of to read all these documents with great ala England, and to be intituled, The Account to tention.

the Paymaster General of his Majesty's Forces;

inserting the name of such paymaster ge« Acr XXII. Geo. III. Cap. 81. neral for the time being. An act for the better regulation of the office of II. And be it enacted, That no fees what. paymaster general of bis Mojesty's forces. soever shall be paid at the exchequer or

HERË AS it appears, by the reports treasury for or by reason of the transactions

made by the.commissioners appointed aforesaid, beyond the amount of what hath to examine, take, and state tbe public accounts usually been paid upon imprests and acof the kingdom, that the paymasters of the counts hitherto made, according to the forforces bave beretofore been accustomed 10 a1 cu mer custom of transacting business bei werst mulate large.sums of public money in theiç' the exchequer, pay utice, and bank sehands, beyond wbat was necessary

for carry verally. ing on the services in tbeir departinent, and to III. And be it further enacted by the ad. take and carry out of office with them, upon thority atoresaid, That from and after the their resignation or removal, large balances of said first day of January, one thousand seven public money, which they have retained and hundred and eighly-three, no money for the kept in their bands many years after being out service of the army shall be issued from his of office: and whereas it is highly expedient Majesty's exchequer to the paymaster ge. thai a remcdy sbould be provided for these in neral of his Majesty's forces, or shall be conveniences; be it therefore enacted by the placed, or directed to be placed, in his hands King's most excellent majesty, by and with or possession, but the same shall be issued the advice and consent of the lords spiritual and directed to be paid to the governor and temporal, and commons, in this present and company of the bank of England, and parliament assembled, and by the authority to be placed to the account above-men : of the same, That from and alter the first tioned. day of January, one thousand seven hun IV. And be it further enacted by the dred and eighty-three, the paymaster ge authority aforesaid, that the paymaster ge: neral of his Majesty's forces for the time neral of his Majesty's forces for the time being, in all memorials to be by him pre-being, by hiniself or bis deputy, or the persented to the trea ury



army son or persons in his office duly authorised services, shall pray that such sum as he re by the said paymaster general, from and quires may be issued to the governor and after the said first day of January, one thou. company of the bank of England on his ac. sand seven hundred and eighty-three, shall count, specifying, in every such memorial, draw upon the governor and company of the sum he requires, and for what particu the bank of England for alt army services lar service or services; and the commis whatever, and shall specify in each and sioners of bis Majesty's treasury for the every draft the particular service for which time being, by their letter from time to the same is drawn; and no drafit of the rimé shall direct the auditor of the exche said paymaster, or his deputy, or the per: quer to issue to the governor and company son or persons authorized as aforesaid, shall

be deemed a sufficient voucher to the said " in the yards, and the persons in the hosgoverior and company of the bank of Eng. "pital ships, and on the hali-pay lists, musc land, unless the same specifies the service $ be carried on in the same manner it is for which it is drawn, and bas been actual now : these men camiot be paid by dratis, hpard by the said governor and company " they must have cash, and with that cash of the bank of England.

" the pày clerks must be entrusted as they V. And he it fürther enacted by the au are at present; and the treasurer must 'Thority aforesaid, That the monies su to be w.continue to be responsible for them, ax issue:l to the governor and company of the 5 for officers of his appointment and under bank of England, on account of the pay. this controul ; but this will be no obstrucmaster general of his Mjesty's forces, shall “ tion to the regulation. The money may be not be paid out of the bank unless for the " all issued to the pay clerks by the drafts of army services, and in pursuance of drafis or " the treasurer upon the Bank, according lo cheque papers, to be drawn on the governor " the requisition of the Navy Board, in like and company of the Bank of England, and manner as many of these soms are issued signed by the paymaster general of his M. at this day; and, upon the death or resig. jeita 's forces for the time being, or liis deputy, “ nation of a treasurer, the balunces of his or the person or persone aq:horized as afore

cash in the Bank, and in the nan is of his said : in which drafts shall be specified the pay clerks may be struck immediately, and heads of service to which the suins therein « carried over to the account of his succes-, mentioned are to be applied; and which a sor. In this situation, the treasurer, nei. dratis su drawn shall be suficient authority " ther receiving nor paying public money bimto the bank to pay such inney to the per self, can be neither debtor 10, nor credi$ons mentioned it such dratis, or to the tor of the public, except as far as he may bearer of them."

"" be responsible for bis clerks. On passing This act was, it will be perceived by the " his accounts, the bill indorsed, or requisipreamble, grounded upon the reports of a " tion of the Navy Board, is both his quihoBard of Commissioners, appointed to ex "rity and voucher for his draft ; the draft amine, take, and state the public accounts of * indorsed is the voucher for the Bank to the kingdom, which commissioners bave prove their payment. If these accounts usually been denominated, the Commis “ agree (and they ought frequently to be BIOBCrs of Accounts. These same commis. compared together) it is highly probable sioners, sering that the parliament had “thit they are both right."-Now, I a.dopted regulations, such as they had re ask, if any man of common sense, supposing commended, relative to the office of pay. his intentions to be honest, had been remaster of the forces, recommended, in one quired to found an act of parliament upon of their sabsequ ni reports, the adoption of this, would he not have so worded the act, similar regulations in the office of the trea that it should have prohibited the Treasurer $xter of the navy. The words, which have of ibe Navy, or any one for him, from ever been once before quoted by nie, of the report holding any of the public money in his bands ? are as follows : “ The legi lature have, in Such is the object, which the Commissioners " the last session of parliament, introduced had in view ; and, their reason for wishing

into the office of ille paymaster general 10 see this object accomplished, was, that, " of the forces a regulation, which, as it by preventing bim from holding any of the " seems to us, may be applied as beneficially public money in his hands, the, and all others, " to the offise of the treasurer of the navy. would, agreeably to the previous resolution * The custody of cash applicable to the of the House of Commons, be effectnally

navy services may be transferred from the prevented from deriving any profit or advan. of treasurer to the Baok of England, and tage from the use of the public money ; and, Mtbe account only of the receipts and pay Só to prevent him was becoine quite just "ments be kept in bis office; all the sums and reasonable, because his salary had been

now received by his may be received augmented to the clear sum of four thousand by the Bank ; sums from the Exchequer pounds a year. Under all these circom

may be imprested to the Bank; sums di stances ; with the sense of the nation, long "reeted by the letters of the different boards and loudly expressed upon the subject; with

to be paid to him, may be directed to the resolutions of the House of Conmons; “ be paid into the Bank'; all bills as with the repeated reports of the Commis$ signied upon him for payment may be sioners of accounts; and, lastly, with the mipaid, and all extra payments may be made Paymaster's bill, as a draft to engross from ; " by his draits upon the Bank; the payment with all this before his eyes, Mr. Dundas " of the seamenjthe artificers and labourers himself sat down to prepare the act of the

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