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destroy the growth of the plants that | gislature for repeated proofs of lo y surrounded them. He then pronounced alty: notwithstanding which they a splendid panegyrić upon the merits

remained subject to the severe disaof the duke of Sussex, and also on those of the earl of Fingall, whose mild

bilities enforced against them, in and steady character was well calcula. consequence of their conscientious ted to qualify the effect of the injudici. adherence to the religious doctrines ous steps of some of his countrymen, of their forefathers. They disclaimand to give force to the just pretensions ed all latent, all sinister motives of the great question they were advo.

whatever ; and maintained that any cating. Irishmen and Englishmen should harmonize together in a s:ate of

imputation of that nature was refraternity. There may be talebearers

pelled by their number and character. between both, and irritations may have

Their object was direct and avowed; been thus cruelly fomented; but they it was to obtain an equal particishould take a wiser course. The time pation in the civil rights enjoyed by would, he hoped, soon arrive, when their fellow subjects. The prayer man would not appear the worse son of the petition was, that their case of God, by disdaiping to be the factious

his might receive the favourable bonsisycophant of his fellow mortal. The

deration of the house of communs. right hon. gentleman spoke in.quite a feeble tone, occasioned, we lament to He. (Sir H. Parnell) would not tresstate, by indisposition. The anxiety to pass further on the house, were it hear him created a momentary confu not that the petition contained anosion. The company pressed forward in ther clause of great importance to a mass to the upper table, and rendered

| the discussion which was soon to it impossible to hear Mr. Curran's obf servations. We could only hear him

take place on the subject. By that pronounce a panegyric upon the Insti. clause an opening was given for the tution, and deliver some striking obser satisfactory adjustment of that long vations on the constancy of the Pope disputed point relative to ecclesiasin the hour of his persecution.

tical security. The house would Mr. Curran's health was then drank

agree with him, that the claims set with great applause. Lord Fingall hav.

up on the one side to security and ing left the room, the Rev. Dr. Collins was called to the chair, when the health

denial of those claims on the other, of " The Protestant Friends of the had been the means of the frequent Charity” was proposed by Mr. Woods, I failure of the cause of the catholics in a neat speech, and drank with ap- in parliament. Those claims had plause. The healths of “Dr. Collins,” | had been founded on the apprehenand of" The Stewards," were also given,sion of foreign interference in the after which the company broke up.

nomination of the Irish bishops. · The amount of the collection made at the dinner exceeded 500 guineas.

When plans, where suggested for af

fording a security against the danger, ROMAN CATHOLIC PETITIONS. the catholic bishops in 1808 publish

In the House of Commons on the ed a resolution, declaring that, in 28th instant, Sir H. Parnell rose their opinion, it would be inexpefor the purpose of presenting to the dient to alter the existing mode of house the petition of the roman ca. | nomination; and the laity soon foltholics of Ireland. It entreated the lowed their example. But now a. favourable attention of the house complete change had taken place in to their peculiar condition under the their sentiments a change so great pressure of the penal laws, by which that all must admit that the ap. they were so severely affected. It proaching discussion would take stated that they had taken every oath place under circumstances altogether of fidelity and allegiance. They different from any that had hitherto · referred to the acts of the Irish le- | occurred. The Irish bishops no lon

ger adhered to their resolution. Ôn subjects. The catholic prelates and the contrary, they proposed an ar- the catholics at large offered to bind tangement which was calculated to themselves by oath to choose no one meet all the dangers apprehended | for recommendation to the pope but by those who had hitherto opposa vative of the empire, and one ed the catholic claims. The clause whom they conscientiously believed to which he had just ádverted, and to be loyal in principle. They fur which he begged leave to read, con- ther proposed, that all the catholic tained this proposition, with a dis- bishops and clergy should swear not tinct arowat of the acquiescepce of to disturb or attempt to overturn, by the great catholic body in the opi fraud or force, the civil and religious nion of the catholic prelates. They institutions of the empire, or to in. stated in the clause, that in thus ad- terfere with the existing settlement dressing the legislature, they were of property. They had been assuru naturally desirous of conciliating fa- ed, by eminent persons in the conyour, and obviating the objections fidence of the pope, that he woula which had heretofore been made to not object to sanction these offers, a compliance with their wishes, and if they were likely to give satisfacthatthey entertained a conscientious tion to the legislature, and to seconviction that all the important cure the desired relief to thécathodiferences existing on the subject | lic body. Here, therefore, was a might be happily reconciled, by the proposition directly meeting the obadoption of the domestic nomination jection urged, of danger arising from of the catholic Bishops, in which the the foreign iofluence of the pope, by catholic bishops were ready to cou- rendering future nominations in eveeur, and which would meet with the rý respect domestic. He (sir H. most cordial approbation of the ca. | Parnell) had felt it his duty to state tholics at large. He trusted that this thus much, in the hope that honourdeclaration would be considered by able members would take the subthe house not more important in its ject into their most serious considersubstance than in the temperate and ation, and would possess themselve's proper language in which it was ex- of every necessary information re. pressed. It was necessary for him to specting it, that they might be duly explain iň some degree the plan that prepared to come to a wise decision it was intended to propose. He was on the motion that was soon to be able to do so on the authority of a submitted to them by bis right hoprelate of the catholic chureh, who nourable friend. He wished to say stated that the chief objection which a word or two on that which might had been long urged in the discuss to some appear an inconsistency on -sions in parliament respecting the the part of the catholics--the conappointment of the catholic bishops, tinuance of their objection to the was, that although on a vacancy the veto. The present was not the time Irish prelates recommended an indi- for going into a detailed explanation vidual to the pope, the pope was not on this subject. But the catholics obliged to attend to their recom- objected to the veto on conscientious mendation, but might install any principles, conceiving that to accede other person, even a foreigner, In to it would be in effect to give to order to obviate that objection, the the crown the nomination of the Irish prelates offered to procure from bishops, which was contrary to the the pope a concordat, that he would discipline of the catholic church, and not institute any other person as a would tend to the final extirpation prelate than the one recommended to of the catholic religion," He would him, his majesty's liege and sworn no longer occupy the time of the house, and would therefore move for That they and the other aforesaid Ro.

man catholics have at all times since, as leave to bring up the petition.

well as before the passing of those acts, Gen. Mathew seconded the motion,

shewn themselves to be dutiful, loyal, and with a few observations.

peaceable subjects of his majesty ; and Sir John Nicholl rose to enter his that no injury to the state or public wel protest against two assumptions which fare has occurred from their observance of had been made that evening the one this discipline. by an honourable baronet (Sir Henry

That, nevertheless, proposals are now Parnell) that the question was now re

| about to be made to your honourable house duced to what was the nature of the se

(as they learn with the utmost grief and curities which ought to be required from for

dismay,) for annexing to a bill for their

further temporal relief, different galling the catholics. He protested against

restrictions on their said religious discithis assumption-the question was by pline, which they are convinced will essenno means yet reduced to this. When tially injure and may eventually subvert they could make this concession to the the religion itself, which teaches them to catholics with safety to the protestant be good subjects. establishment, he should be as much I That the acts and decrees of different rejoiced as any man to enter on the late despatic foreign princes and potentates, question of security. The other as though possibly professors of their religion, sumption ayainst which he protested,

with respect to the exercise of it, in their

several dominions, constitute neither laws was made both by the hop. baronet and the

nor precedents for the religious discipline gallant general (Matthew) and was calcu. lated to lull the vigilance of members, and

of your petitioners, many of these being to put them off their guard - they both an

notoriously uncanonical, capricious, and

oppressive, and all of them emanating from · ticipated that the question would now be i

el a foreign and incompetent authority ; carried with certainty. But he was of a very different opinion. And since the last

| whereas your petitioners have the happi.

| pess of living in a free country, and under discussion of the question, circumstances a wise and liberal legislature, which afford's had taken place, both in the united king: | religious toleration to all its subjects, leav. dom and in the rest of Europe, not such ing them to follow their owo rites and disas to place this question on a more favourable footing than that on which it

cipline, no less than their belief.

Tbat the only imaginable ground for the formerly stood..

interference of the civil power with their Mr. W. Smith, member for Norwich,

discipline, rather than with that of the presented the following petition from

numberless other religious denominations, the Midland district, which, as well as

pot belonging to the established church, the Irish one, was ordered to be printed.

| namely the possibility of disloyal or sedi

tious superiours being placed over them by

a foreign prelate, may now be removed, if To the Honourable the Commons of the this will satisfy the legislature; so that do United Kingdom of Great Britain and Roman catholic clergyman will be elected

Ireland in Parliament assembled, for the prelacy in this kingdom, except by Ths humble Petition of the undersigned

other native clergymen, who, in addition inhabitants of the counties of Warwick | to their oath of allegiance, will also swear and Stafford, professing the Roman Ca- that they will choose none but bative subtholic Religion,

jects, of unimpeachable loyalty and peace

able demeanour. Sheweth, That by acts of the 18th

Finally, that however desirous your pe. and 31st of his present majesty, your peti. | titioners are to partake with their fellow. tioners, in common with other English sub subjects in the full benefits of the happy jects of the same religion, were graciously

a constitution founded by their ancestors, relieved from many severe pains and penal.

11 they are still rore anxious for the safety ties, to which they were subject before,

and integrity of their religion. They thereupon condition of their declaring on oath, fore humbly pray this honourable house that they “ Do not believe that the pope that the legal toleration of their religious of Rome, or any other foreign prince, pre• l discipline, which they have enjoyed withlate, state or potentate, hath, or ought to

out blame since the year 1791, may not have, any temporal or civil jurisdiction,

now be withdrawn from them.', , power, superiority, or pre-eminence, di- | rectly or indirectly, within this realm;" | and without any restriction on, or inter

Mr. Grattan has fixed his motion on ference with, their religious discipline the above important question, for Friday, on the part of the legislature.. .

the 9th of May.
W. E. Andrews, Printer, Garlick Hill, Bow Lane,

ORTHODOX JOURNAL,

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Proceedings OF THE ENLIGHTENED | yet arrived when true liberality shall • PROTESTANTS AND LIBERAL CA- assume her sway in these islands, • THOLICS.

and the mist of prejudice be chased T HE fate of our question has been away by the influential rays of frå.

I agaio decided against us; and ternal charity. The protestants of the wisest part of the most liberal, this deluded nation have been too most enlightened, and most protest long under the control of a corrupt ant country on earth, has once more and lying press; their passions have proclaimed in the face of Europe, been too long warped and inflamed that it is necessary to maintain a sys- | by gross falsehoods and misrepreten of intolerance, to preserve a sentations, to permit them to take constitution, the favoured enjoyers a candid view of the state of our of which boast its being the envy of claims, and decide with equity and the world. Again have bigotry and impartiality on the merits of our prejudice triumphed over reason and case. From this general proposition justice, and five millions of catholics must be excepted those honest and are doomed to remain in a state of virtuous characters who have openly vassalage, and proscription from proclaimed themselves the opponents civil rights, because they will not of an intolerant system, and whose violate conscience. In another part unbiassed advocacy of the innocuous of this number will be found a full and reasonable demands of their careport of the proceedings of the tholic brethren, entitles them to the house of commons, on the claims of warmest gratitude of every true the catholics for unqualified eman friend to civil and religious liberty. cipation. It is selected from the Yes, notwithstanding the arrogant different papers of the metropolis, intolerance of the people of Engand is well worthy of being handed | land has rendered them the scorn down to posterity: The reader is and disgust of foreign nations, the requested to peruse it attentively, as patriotic conduct of a Donough- 1 much important matter is to be found more, a Grey, a Grenville, a Hartherein. A report of the lords shall rowby, a Holland, a Parnell, a Ma. be given in like manner next month. thew, a Bennett, &c. &c. still sheds To mapy, this decision has been no a lustre on our national character, matter of surprize ; but to those who and contributes to sustain that love ! cling so hard to temporal honours of true freedom for which England and enjoyments it has been a heavy and Ireland were each renowned, disappointment. To every pene- when under the sway of catholic tratiog mind it has long been clearly sovereigns and parliaments. And demonstrable, that the time is not l here let me pay a tribute to the vir.

ORTHOD. JOUR. VOL. V.

tues and exertions of a protestant subjects who dissent from the estadivine, of whom we may say, with blished church, is incontestibly provHorace,

ed, by the shameful and dishonoura“Quando ullum inveniemus parein ?"

ble practices which the conspirators To a Bathurst, the gratitude of have had recourse to, by means of catholics is pre-eminently due. the press, to deceive and inflame the Never was the attribute of a chris- public mind on this important ques. tian prelate more gloriously display- tion. These practices were strong. ed then when the bishop of Norwichy reprobated by lord Donoughmore, rose, on the occasion alluded to, in in his opening speech on the 16th the fullest attendance of his brethren instant, and were declared by him in the senate, to vindicate the cause to be such as “ might make the hair of his injured fellow-christians, of any liberal man stand on end." whose hopes they were met to crush, / The first developement of this foul and exhibit to his bigotted country- plot occurred about the middle of men, that one mitred member of the March, when several epistles appearestablishment had the heroic courage ed in The Times daily paper, signed to plead in his place for civil and re-1" LUTHER," which were followed ligious tolerațion. Yes, BATHURST, | by the insertion of a pretended bull in future ages, when the names of of the present pope against the biblethy contemporaries shall be sunk in societies, the spuriousness of which oblivion, thine will be pronounced I shall clearly establish by and by. . with veneration by our children's Soon after this bull had been pub. children, and thy memory hailed | lished in nearly all the London and with rapture, as ihe true philanthro-provincial papers, placards were pist and liberal divine. But why, it stuck upon the walls of the metromay be asked, with such powerful polis, and, no doubt, in other parts advocates in our favour, why did the of the kingdom, announcing the majorities against our claims increase speedy issuing of a cheap publication in the present instance? The solų. to be called "The Protestant's tion is easily given. In no instance Warning," &c. the first number of has the efforts of the opponents which is now before me, and is sold of our claims been more actively at one-penny each copy, or six shilor more successfully employedlings and six-pence per hundred.than in the six weeks preceding On the first page of this valuable the late discussion of our petitions, “ No-popery" scarecrow is a wooda detail of which, together with cut, purporting to represent the tor: the proceedings of the enlight-turing of one of John Fox's pious ened members of our body, I shall martyrs, previous to his execution, now lay before the reader, who will by putting his bare feet upon hot then be able to judge whether the burning coals, to make him deny his conduct adopted by either has been faith. This is stated to have taken marked with the characteristics of place by the order of archbishop honour and integrity.

Warham and bishop Fisher, between ị That a bigoited conspiracy exists Low Sunday, and Whit Sunday, but among the leading members of the in what year is not mentioned. In bible-societies, to frustrate the en- this delightful picture, which I dare deavours of the real friends to civil say has caused many an old conven; and religious liberty, to allay the ticler to faint, and terrified an equal discontents of the Irish and English number of bible-lisping babes into catholics, . by placing them on ap fits, at the bloody doings of the equality with the rest of their fellow-4 wicked papists, is the representation

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