A. I cannot fay that I did of my own knowledge, I thought he was. Q. Did you know that Mr. Margatot was? A. I don't know what you mean by knowing it. Q. I ask you if you know, by any fource of information, that Mr. Thelwall, Mr. Gerald, Mr. Sinclair, Mr. Margarot, or Mr. Joyce were? A. Mr. Joyce I did know was a member, but the refst I did not know. Q. Did you know that your fociety printed the letter of Mr. Paine to Mr. Dundas? A. Yes; I did. Q. Did you know that the London Correfponding Society printed the letter of Mr. Paine to the People of France, for the ufe of perfons in England? A. No. Q. Did you know that Mr. Joel Barlow fent a letter to your fociety, upon the 6th of October, 1792, relative to his publication of a letter to the national convention of France, and that you had thanked him, and ordered the refolutions to be publifhed in the papers? A. Yes; I did. Q. And did you know the contents of Mr. Barlow's letter? A. I have a general recollection of them now. Mr. Attorney General. I fhall afk you no more questions. Mr. Erfkine. Nor fhall I. COLONEL MONEY fworn-Examined by Mr. TooKE. Q. I have but two or three queftions to afk of you, because I fhall not ask you any thing which I think you don't know. You have been in the fervice of France? A. Yes. Q. At what time did you enter into the fervice of Francewhat year and month? A. This is my commiffion (hewing a paper) figned by the King of France; it is dated the 18th of July, 1791, to Marthal de Camp, general of the armies of France. Q. When did you quit the fervice? A. When I heard this country was likely to be at war with France, the 25th December, 1792. Q. But up till that time did you think you were acting the part of a loyal fubject? A. I certainly did, or I had certainly not gone.-I knew very well that a commercial treaty fubfifted between this country and France---I know I had the approbation of my friends before I went. Q. I want a fhort answer? A. I will give it you as long or as fhort as you please. Q. Whether, after December, 1792, you waited upon the Secretaries of State, Mr. Dundas and Lord Grenville? A. I did, upon Mr. Dundas, and wrote him a note. Q. Did you receive any reproaches from the minifter, for being in the French fervice up to that time, December 1792? A. No. Q. Have you been fince that time at court? Q Was you well received by the King? A. Yes. Lord Pefident. Not a word of this is evidence; I fhall ftrike out every word of it Mr. Tooke. Will your Lordship be fo kind as to inform me what is evidence? Lord Prefident. No conduct of Colonel Money's is under our confideration at prefent; whether he acted right or wrong, whether he was approved of by the Secretary of State, or by the Crown, is nothing to the prefent enquiry. Mr. Tooke. Perhaps by my endeavouring to be short, my object is not feen; it feems to me to be very ftrongly connected with it-my object is this, that certain letters of mine, declaring an approbation or intention of giving affiftance (for none was actually given) to France, appear to me to be charged, as if they were after the war; now it feems to be much stronger for a man to be actually in the fervice, with the approbation of the King, than to give fhoes to the foldiers. Lord Prefident. So far it may be very proper, because your cafe may be fome way implicated; but whether Colonel Money was right or wrong, whether he was approved of, or difapproved of, cannot touch your cafe. Mr. Tooke. I mean to have the joint benefit of fhewing what were the opinions of this gentleman, and the Secretaries of State, and joining that with the King's fpeeches, both before and after, I thought that would fatisfy any reafonable mind that I could not know what nobody elfe did-but if it is wrong, I have loft but little time-I will not purfue it. Mr. MAXWELL fworn-Examined by Mr. ERSKINE. A. Yes. Q. How long have you known him? A. I have known Mr. Tooke fince the beginning of the year 1793. Q. Where was it that your acquaintance commenced? A. At Q. Had you ever any opportunity, in confequence of those vifits, of knowing his fentiments? A. I had. Q. Confidentially? A. I believe confidentially. Q. What days did you vifit Mr. Tooke? Q. Be fo good to ftate what paffed upon thofe occafions relative to the fubject before us A. Will it be neceffary to ftate every thing that I heard? Q. Certainly not; but to ftate any prominent circumstance that occurs to you. A. I have heard him fay that he difapproved of univerfal fuffrage; and I have heard him argue against it in the prefence of a few confidential friends. Q. Did you ever hear Mr. Tooke fay any thing with regard to the means of accomplishing a parliamentary reform? A. I have; I remember to have heard him fay that he thought it might be a proper thing for fome gentlemen who were prefent, and fuch others as might approve of the plan, to ftand whenever any opportunity offered for the clofe boroughs, and in cafe they were rejected, if they did not fucceed in being returned to Parliament, they fhould then petition, in order to expofe all the iniquities attending the elections at fuch boroughs, and by that means to induce the majority of both Houfes, and the borough proprietors, through thame, to agree to a reform in the reprefentation in the Commons House. Q. Did you ever hear Mr. Tooke utter any expreffion hoftile to the prerogatives of the crown, or the King's perfon? A. I never did. Q. Nor to the hereditary office of the peers? A. I never did. Mr. Ake. Did this plot go a little further-Were any gentlemen at .. table that day, when this propofal was made by me, of flanding for all the close boroughs, who confented to be one of thofe who would ftand when the boroughs became vacant? A. There was one. Q. What was his name? A. M. Walker, of Manchefler. Q. Did he approve of the thing, and take it into confideration? Mr. Mr. MAXWELL Crofs-Examined by Mr. ATTORNEY GENERAL. Q. You are not Dr. Maxwell? A. No. Q. May I prefume to afk you where you refide? Q. Upon what occafion did you come up to town? Q. Did you happen to dine at Mr. Tooke's at any time in the clofe of the year 1792? A. I was not acquainted with Mr. Tooke at that time. Mr. Tooke. As you are not Dr. Maxwell, I beg to know what trade or profeffion you are of? A. I have no profeffion. Q. Whether you are a clerk in any office? A. No. Q. Whether you are a gentleman's fervant? Q. Whether you have fervants of your own? Mr. Attorney General. I asked whether he was Dr. Maxwell, because there was a Dr. Maxwell who belonged to the fociety. Mr. Tooke. He is a gentleman in a very different station. Mr. MAY fworn-Examined by Mr. ERSKINE. Q. Do you know Mr. Horne Tooke? A. Yes. Q. How long have you known him? A. Better than two years. Q. Are you a member of the Constitutional Society? Q. Are you acquainted with Mr. Tooke in private life? Q. Have you dined at Mr. Tooke's? A. Yes, often, and he at mine; I have often wished to know his principles we have talked very freely-I have asked him his fentiments on politics, and he uniformly told me he withed well both to the monarchy and ariftocracy of the country-the only change he wifhed, was in the House of Commons; the laft converfation I had with Mr. Tooke was in the ftreet, a fhort time before he was taken up. very Q. Upon thefe fubjects did you find Mr. Tooke a loose floating man in his opinions, or did you find him steady to one purpose? A. I have known him when he has drank a great deal of wine, and when he was fober, he was always perfectly confiftent-I have heard him reprobate the introduction of Mr. Paine's principles here; that we wanted no republic here, and that he refused to be a delegate to the Scotch convention. Mr. Attorney General. Did I rightly understand you, that in converfation with you, you both heard him reprobate Paine, and that he refused to be a delegate to the Scotch conven tion? A. Yes. Capt. TooKE HARWOOD fworn-Examined by Q. You are, I believe, an officer in the army? A. Molt intimately. Q. How long have you known him? A. My uncle introduced him to me fix years fince, who has a great friendship for him likewise. Q. In confequence of that introduction of your uncle an intimacy grew between you? A. Yes. Q. In the courfe of that time you have converfed with him upon many fubjects? A. Certainly. Q. Have you converfed upon political subjects ? A. It was his conflant theme. Q. Are you able to inform the Jury what were his political fentiments, refpecting the prefent government of King, Lords, and Commons? A. That Parliament wanted a reform; that a great number of borough mongers might be afhamed of themfeives, and ought to be made afhamed of it, by continual applications; and that there was no remedy but from themfelves. Q. Were any measures propofed which might tend to accomplifh this, to make them afhamed of themselves? A. Yes; it was propofed among a great number of friends, that each of us should petition against the member fuppofed to have bought a rotten borough, and I propofed myself to be one : I believe Mr. Maxwell was one, Mr. Walker of Manchester was one, and I believe fome others were very defirous of doing it; he fat was only by fuch a reform that we could ever expect any good to this country. Q Was Mr. Tooke uniformly steady and firm in these principles? A. Yes, |
