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extraordinary, an ill-adapted, an unnecessarily strong—nay, an extravagant epithet; hut that, my Lords, is a mishap that befalls all men at times, and especially when speaking about subjects upon which their feelings and their conviction are most strong; nay, my Lords, this even happens sometimes to the noble Earl himself, who, however chaste his eloquence undoubtedly is, does sometimes indulge in the use of epithets, which, if one considers them very closely, do not always appear the most appropriate. However, my Lords, what I meant when I said that this subject was one of paramount importance to the country, was this,—I meant, that let our distresses be ever so great, let the disturbances which prevail at home be ever so much to be deplored, still it is the province of a wise, and, permit me to add, of a just Government, to fulfil the duty of justice rather than of mercy; and I call that a subject of paramount importance which involves the fulfilment of the sacred duty of justice—a duty that is never to be evaded, and the non-performance of which can never be excused by any condition of unhappiness, no matter how great, at home. Well, my Lords, so much for the use of the epithet which has scandalized the correct and critical judgmentof the noble Earl. Then, my Lords, the noble Earl went on in a most facetious manner to contend, that I, and that I only, ought to be chairman of a committee which I have learnt to night, for the first time, that your Lordships are about to appoint, and to despatch upon a voyage to the West-India Islands. How this committee is to be constituted we have not heard. I hope it is not to consist of the present Ministers, nor do I wish so ill to the noble Lords near me,—the ex-ministers,—as to desire that they should be sent on such a mission: but, my Lords, if you will take the authority of the noble Earl, be the committee constituted as it may, I am the only fit person to be chairman of it. Now, my Lords, far be it from 'mc to presume to say, that the noble Earl is not quite right in this only your Lordships will, I am
fire* yet they mig-ht mantled while I was voyismj u Indies, and that although th« stand in no great degTee of din« being burned, yet they might starve during the absence of th* Id Chancellor on such an expeditjoc. Ta my Lords, might be the view wkidj Chancery suitors would take of then*; and as it is obvious that there K too unreasonable for them (obe«nh after having committed the offes differing from the noble Earl, its oof probable that they may borrow frwd noble Earl himself those excellent sai vations which the noble Earl hasmisJ night about paradoxes. However,^ noble Earl thinks that I am wortkrn\ consulted in the matter—if, by »kt has said, the noble Earl meant tt>*: opinion as to the propriety of wH chairman of such a committee, I'-* him candidly that I cannot yet str^ upon that point. Whether 1 go c:»* depend very much upon who are u:r me. I must inquire into that first; r begin, let me ask the noble Ear))/'; tends to make one. of the party;—?' ask the noble Earl whether he willp^ me, and, if he will, whether / mtjok late upon the pleasure of hearings or eight speeches from him, upon • same subject,—they must be upon theK subject in the space of four-and-twr hours; and whether the nobfe Earf »promise, that they shall all of them he; entertaining and as instructive as thtf-' four speeches made upon the presentate of a petition, but having no Codda*; whatever with the subject of that petiora I wish to know, before I decide, whether: am to enjoy the pleasure of such B» lectual amusements. I wish to kno« whether the noble Earl will take can"' get himself embarked in the same botW as myself, for that is essential, as I IB* your Lordships will see. I wish to too' and to be assured as to these facts, and > therefore put it to the noble Earl fhelic he is ready to give me security,—^ * curity as may be approved by two BW* in Chancery,—and enterinlo reeognja*8
sure, see that it is my duty to suggest to that he will go in the same ship with* you that I might be missed at home. It and undertake to debate every/to'"' it not unlikely, my Lords, that the occurs on the voyage, or that does n°l suitors in Chancery might object to the occur on the voyage, but may happw w course proposed by the noble Earl; thoy j suggest itself to the noble Earl,—whethtf
might be unreasonable
lgh to think, the noble Earl will thus debate,
that id though their houses would not be on ; whether, moreover, he will carry on
ate in that feeble voice of which he • plained last night [cries of "No, 'from Earl Stanhope], I beg the Ae Earl's pardon; he certainly said £ night, that "he raised his feeble ce, and wished to express forcibly;" . :Vi were trie noble Earl's epithets; it is t for me to say whether the noble Earl Y»\s speech attended to that definition . lich an eminent critic has given of fine ■'. king, and. which the noble Earl will obahly see, is equally applicable to fine
•caking, namely, "apt words in apt
laces t" it is not for me, my Lords, to "Ay whether the noble Earl attended to n\s definition, or whether he put the pithets in the wrong places, fixing 'feeble" where "forcible" ought to have >ecn, and "forcible" where "feeble" ;.~".vould have been more appropriate—it is ^'not, I say, my Lords, for me to pronounce "on this matter, but such were most -issuredly the epithets of the noble Earl;
- and as he has been so hypercritical upon
- one of my epithets, he cannot surely comr-plain of my also turning critic upon his.
Well, then, my Lords, as I was saying,— will the noble Earl give me good and sufficient security that he will embark : himself in the same ship with myself,—I will not insist upon his fixing his birth in . the same cabin ;—that he will speak during •i the voyage such speeches as he speaks or here, with the same iteration, in the same . i feeble tone, and with the same agreeable -i absence of reasoning and argument? Will the noble Earl, 1 say, secure to me well and sufficiently, and legally, these advantages,—all these advantages, for I will abate none of them? If the noble Lord will, and will inform me also who the others are who are to go with us—how we are to voyage, and what we are to do when we reach the end of our voyage,— then, and not till then, for then only shall I be in possession of all the circumstances of the case,—then, I say, I will, like a good and just Judge, decide whether I will go or stay. I am sure your Lordships will see that I should ill become the high judicial office which I fill, if I were to give judgment in such a case before the noble Earl has satisfied me on these points, for until then I shall not have learned all the facts of the matter before me; and, without being informed of these, it is quite impossible that I can give a sound and satisfactory decision. Petition to lie on the Table.
HOUSE OF COMMONS,
Minutes.] A Member took the Oaths at the Tabic of the
The Committee appointed to inquire into the Election or Boroughbridge reported, that Sir C. Wetherell, Knt. and Matthias Attwood, Esq.. wereduly elected for that Borough; and that the Petition of their Opponents was not frivolous or vexatious.
Bills. Mr. Severn brought in one to amend the Stage Coaches Act.
Returns ordered. On the Motion of Mr. R. Pusey, accounts of all terminable Annuities forming part of the National Debt:—On tho Motion of Mr. S. Rice, the sums of Money expended in building Londonderry Bridge, pursuant to the Act 54 Geo. 3rd, c. 230.
Petitions presented. Against Negro Slavery, by Sir GsOKGfl Robinson, two from Dissenting Congregations in Northampton and Cherwell: —By Mr. Adeane, two from Dissenting Congregations in Cambridgeshire:—By Sir W. InGilby, from Holbeach, Spalding, and Gainsborough:— By Mr. Abej. Smith, from Female Methodists near Lineoln's-inn*Fields:—By Lord J. Stuart, from Cardiff, and from a Parish in Wales:—By Mr. Beaumont, three from Hexham, and other places in Northumberland:—By Mr. Hope, from Linlithgow:—By the Marquis of BlandPord, from Dissenters of Langford:—By Mr. hoy a Wellesley, Mr. R. Grant, Colonel Craddock, aud the Attorney General, from Dissenters of Bristol, Portsca, Thaxted, Nottingham, Paisley, and Edinburgh. For the repeal of the Malt and Hop Duties, by Mr. Hooker, frum Wrotham anil Staplehurst, Kent. By the same hon. Member, from Cranbrook, Woodchurch, and Horsemonden, for a Reform in Parliament. By the Marquis of Blandford, from Woodstock, with the same Prayer; and from Diss, for Relief. By Mr. Owen O'connor, from certain Freeholders of Galway, for the extension of the Elective Franchise; and from an individual, for a Repeal of the Union. By Mr. O'connkll, from Limerick, Kuockmoy, and Voughall, with the same prayer; from parishes in the County of Sligo, against the Kildare-street Society; and from the Union of Middleton, for the aboliUon of Tithes. By Mr. 0*gorman Mahon, from Kilfinora, against the Kildarc-strect Society.
Local Courts Of Judicature.] Mr. Charles Russell presented a Petition from Heading, praying that the bill now pending in the Lords for the establishment of Local Courts might be passed into a law. The petition was numerously signed, and would have been signed by every inhabitant in Reading if more time had been allowed. He cordially concurred in the prayer of the petition, and believed that the bill, if passed into a law, would do a great deal of good, by preventing delay, vexation, and expense in obtaining justice. It would be an especial benefit to the working and poorer classes, and should receive from him the wannest support when it came into that House.
Colonel Sibthorp presented a similar petition from Lincoln. The great expense at present of law proceedings was a serious injury to all the middle classes, particularly to tradesmen. He rejoiced that one whose talents he admired, and whose loss
petitions of this nature presented by respectable and worthy a Gentleman is. who introduced these to the notice ot: House, he should not be fuMms . duties which he owed to his constitoe:. and his country generally, if be did L stand up to protest against the docte contained in them. The hon. Me', could not be aware of the general prat pleswhichgoverned the acts of that Sorer and if he rightly understood the nk i conduct it pursued, he could not posrobject to the management of the bestowed upon the Society by Pariak; So far from being established for tkscouragement of any particular refe: persuasion — so far from its adwaL any one particular cause, the ocly ever fotmd with the Society, tfcese: did not think it a fault—was, thaisr. too liberal in its religious principle. Society had been grossly malignecan ignorant prejudice had been ei: •ji'.'OuL'dicy. it" the ' against it. by persons who had been ai iud then been in ' ing petitions about the country fors: j tore. He knew no instraok i "iat had been prrjductrre of" so
d these petitions; on the contrary, lerely stated, the language of his conents, as in duty bound. These peti5 were, however, got up by bigoted interested individuals, desirous of put, dov?n this excellent institution, and e readily signed by a set of people who .w nothing of its principles—nothing the manner in which the Society was idncted, who never read any of the >k.s used by it, and who never were :n within the walls of its schools. He ped and trusted that the Parliament of ; 13 nited Kingdom would protect that •ciety, and not diminish the grants, V\ch confer benefit equally on Catholics \d "Protestants. As to the manner in \\ch the funds are appropriated, there as no institution in the empire in which -■eater economy was practised, and in hich less useless expense took place, tan in the Kildare-place Society. Reresenting a county in the north of Irend, and knowing a great deal of the rinciples of the people of the north of -eVand, the majority of whom were of the - 'resbyterian Church, he could take upon imself to state, that into schools in which lie Bible was not read without note or omment, their children would not be illowed to enter. They wished their •hildrcn to be instructed in the word of 3od, and made good Christians, as well as educated in the affairs of this life. The Ki Id are-street Society enjoyed the good wishes of all the Presbyterian clergy iu the north of Ireland. He challenged any country in the world to produce a more useful institution. When persons were sent up to the central school, their religion was never inquired into, the majority of them were Catholics, and they taught the duties of a schoolmaster or schoolmistress. They were remunerated, not in proportion to the number of children placed under their care, but in proportion to the progress the children made; to ascertain which, inspectors were appointed, who went about the school, and made their reports on the state of improvement in which they found the children. He most earnestly implored the House not to credit the asseverations contained in those petitions; they were not founded in fact, and he most earnestly implored those Gentlemen who might have taken up a prejudice against the charity, to pause before they took away from his poor countrymen the benefit conferred by this institution. He had
to apologize to the House for trespassing so long on its attention; perhaps the hon. and learned member for Waterford would wish to monopolize the consideration of the affairs of his country, and to exclude every other Irishman from discussing its interests; he was, however, as independent, and as much attached to Ireland, as the hon. and learned Member, who might more usefully direct the energies of his great mind to the improvement of his country, than by constantly harping on the Repeal of the Union, which would, in his opinion, amount to a total separation of the two countries. In conclusion, the hon. Baronet begged to apologise for having trespassed so long on the attention of the House.
Mr. O'Connell was not to be tempted into following the hon. Baronet, the member for Londonderry, into a discussion on the merits of the Kildare-street Society — "sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." He merely wished to observe, that as to the utility of the Kildare-street Society, he differed from the hon Baronet. He denied that the Society was popular in Ireland; on the contrary, it was one of the most unpopular that ever existed. It was not unpopular in the county which the hon. Member represented, but the inhabitants of that county entertained different opinions on most subjects from the inhabitants of other parts of Ireland. The Gentleman who last represented them lost liis seat because he dared to vote in favour of Catholic Emancipation. He had no doubt that the Society was very well received by them. The hon. Baronet probably subscribed to it because he wished to encourage education. The Society professed a great deal, and unfortunately had not convinced him of the truth of its professions. Its acts, however, were contrary to its professions; and he had left it in consequence. But, he did not retire alone; on the very day on which he resigned, the noble President, the Duke of Leinster, Lord Cloncurry, and many other gentlemen resigned, and for the same reason. The Catholic clergy of Ireland condemned the Society. He did not mean to argue theological points, but the hon. Member had thought fit to introduce one, and he would not shrink, either in that House or in any other place, from defending the doctrines of the religion he professed. He objected to allowing the word of God to be placed