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a "But" to it, 'to that most valid sanction! I will not do so: for I say, It is as good a foundation as that other, 'which you ascribe to the Kingship, howsoever “grounded in the body of Law."! And if that thing, that Protectorate,' be as well accepted, and the other be less well — ? Why, then truly it, I shall think, is the better; - and then all that I say is founded upon Law too! ...

Your arguments founded upon the Law do all make for the Kingship. Because, say you, it doth agree with the Law; the Law knows, – the People know it, and are likelier to receive satisfaction that way. Those were arguments that have [hadis truer, 'but less polite] been used already; and truly I know nothing that I have to add to them. And therefore, I say, those arguments also may stand as we found them and left them already; - except, truly, this 'one point. It hath been said to me [Saluting my Lord Whitlocke slightly with the eye, whose heavy face endeavours to smile in response] that I am a person who meditate to do what never any that were actually Kings of England did: “Refuse the Advice of Parliament.” I confess, that runs deep enough, 'that runs' to all; that may be accounted a very great fault in me; and may rise up in judgment against me another time, - if my case be not different from any man's that ever was in the Chief Command and Government of these Nations before. But truly I think, all they that have been in this Office before, and owned in right of Law, were inheritors coming to it by jbirthright, — or if owned by the authority of Parliament, they yet had some previous pretence of title or claim to it. And so, under favour, I think I deserve less blame than any of them

would have done, if I cannot so well comply with this Title, and with the desire of Parliament in regard to it, as these others might do. For they when they were in, would have taken it for an injury not to be in. Truly such an argument, to them, might be very strong, Why they should not refuse what the Parliament of fered! But as for me,' I have dealt plainly with you: and I have not complimented with you ‘in saying' I have not desired, I have no title to, the Government of these Nations. "No title,' but what was taken up in a case of necessity; and as a temporary means to meet the actual emergency; without which we must needs - [Have gone you know whither!] - I say we had been all “topsyturvying now at the rate of the Printed Book ‘you have just got hold of? [Shoreditch STANDARD SET UP, and Painted Lion there), and at the rate of those men that have been seized going into arms, – if that expedient had not been taken! That was visible to me as the day, unless I undertook it. And 80, it being put upon me, I being then General, as I was General by Act of Parliament, — it being 'put' upon me to take the power into my hand after the Assembly of Men that was called together had been dissolved - - [“I took it, as you all know:but his Highness blazing off here, as his wont is when that subject rises, the Sentence explodes) -!

Really the thing would have issued itself in this Book: – for the Book, I am told, knows an Author [ Harrison, they say, is Author]; he was a Leading Person in that Assembly! And now when I say (I speak in the plainness and simplicity of my heart, as before Almighty God), I did out of necessity undertake that Business,' which I think no man but myself would

have undertaken, - it hath pleased God that I have been instrumental in keeping the Peace of the Nation to this day. And have kept it under a Title Protector] which, some say, signifies but a keeping of it to another's use, – to a better use; 'a Title' which may improve it to a better use! And this I may say: I have not desired the continuance of my power or place either under one Title or another, - that have I not! I say it. If the wisdom of the Parliament could find where to place things so as they might save this Nation and the Interests of it, the Interest of the People of God in the first place; of those Godly honest men, - for such a character I reckon them by, who live in the fear of God, and desire to hold forth the excellency of Christ' and a Christian course in their life and conversation -- [Sentence may be said to burst asunder here for the present, but will gather itself together. again perhaps!] I reckon that proceeds from Faith, and 'from' looking to our duties towards Christians, and our humanity to men as men; and to such Liberties and Interests as the People of this Nation are of:

- and 'I' do look upon that as a standing truth of the Gospel; and whoso lives up to that is a Godly Man in my apprehension! [Looks somewhat animated.]

- — And therefore I say, If the wisdom of this Parliament, — I speak not this vainly or as a fool, but as to God, — if the wisdom of this Parliament should have found a way to settle the Interests of this Nation, upon the foundations of justice and truth and liberty, to the people of God, and concernments of men as Englishmen (Voice risen into a kind of recitative], - I would have lain at their feet, or at anybody else's feet, that things might have run in such a current! ( Your

Highness can't get out; no place for you now but here or
in the grave! - His Highness fetches a decp breath.)
I say I have no pretentions to things for myself; to
ask this or that, or to avoid this or that. I know the
censures of the world may quickly pass upon me, 'and
are already passing:' but I thank God I know where
to lay the weight that is laid upon me, I mean the
weight of reproach and contempt and scorn that hath
been cast upon me! [Ends, I think, in a kind of snort,

- and the look partly as of an injured dove, partly as
of a couchant lion. -

I have not offered you any Name in competition with Kingship. I know the evil spirits of men may easily obtrude upon a man, That he would have a Name which the Laws know not, and which is boundless, and is one under which he may exercise more arbitrariness: but I know there is nothing in that argument; and if it were in your thoughts to offer any Name of that kind, I think, whatsoever it was, you would bound it and limit it sufficiently. I wish it were come to that, That no favour should be showed to me; but that the good of these Nations should be consulted; – as 'indeed' I am confident it will be by you in whatsoever you do. — But I may say a word - to another thing which doth a little pinch upon me:

That it is my duty to accept this Title. I think it can be no man's duty but between God and himself, if he be conscious of his own infirmities, disabilities, and weakness; 'conscious' that he perhaps is not able to encounter with it, — although he may have a little faith too, for a little exercise. I say I do not know what way it can be imputed to me for a fault, or laid upon me as a duty. Except I meant to gripe at the

Carlyle, Cromwell. civ.


Government of the Nations without a legal consent, —

as I say I have done in time past upon principles of -Necessity, "but have no call now to do again.' And I

promise I shall think whatever is done towards Settlement, without authority of Parliament, will neither be very honest, nor to me very comprehensible at this stage of the business. I think we have fought for the Liberties of the Nation and for other Interests! [Checks himself.)

You will fpardon me that I speak these things in such a 'desultory' way as this. I may be borne withal, because I have not truly well stood the exercise that hath been upon me these three or four days, – I have not, I say. (Besides your Highness is suffering from the dregs of a cold, and I doubt still somewhat feverish!] - I have told you my thoughts, and have

laid them before you. You have been pleased to give -me your grounds, and I have given you mine. And truly I do purposely refuse to mention those arguments that were used when ye were last here; but rather tell you what since (as I say) lies upon my heart,

speaking to you' out of the abundance of difficulty and trouble that lies upon me. : (His Highness, sick of body, feverish, unequal to such a jungle of a subject and its adjuncts, is really weltering and staggering like a : wearied man, in the thickets and puddles. And there

fore you having urged me, I mean offered reasons to me, and urged them in such way as did occur to you; and I having told you, the last time we met, that the satisfaction from them did not reach to me so as wholly to convince me of my duty, - I have thought rather to answer today by telling you my grief, and the trouble I am under. (Poor Sovereign Man!]..

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