HANSARD'S

PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES,

THIRD SERIES,

COMMENCING WITH THE ACCESSION OF

WILLIAM IV.

28° VICTORIE, 1865.

VOL. CLXXIX.

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THE NINTH DAY OF MAY 1865,

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Third Volume of the Session.

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VOLUME CLXXIX.

THIRD SERIES.

3 Hansard, vol. 179

LORDS, TUESDAY, MAY 9.

Marriages (Lambourne) Bill (No. 83.)

After short debate, Bill read 2a, and committed to a Committee of the Whole

House on Friday next.

Union Officers (Ireland) Superannuation Bill (No. 52)—

Mored, "That the Bill be now read 2","-(The Lord Steward)

Amendment moved, to leave out ("now") and insert ("this Day Six

Months.")-(The Earl of Donoughmore)

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3

On Question, That ("now") stand part of the Motion? their Lordships

divided; Contents 73, Not-Contents 46; Majority 27.-List of Contents

and Not-Contents

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Bill read 2 accordingly, and committed to a Committee of the Whole House

on Thursday next.

LEONARD EDMUNDS, Esq.-Passage from the Report from the Select Committee
on the Resignation by Mr. Edmunds of certain Offices, and on the Pension
granted to him by this House, read,-(Lord Redesdale) ..

Resolutions moved thereon-

1. That the Petition of Mr. Edmunds, stating that after having served the House Seven-

teen Years as Reading Clerk and Clerk of the Private Committees he desired to retire,

and praying the House to grant him such Allowance as to their Lordships may seem fit,

having been presented on Tuesday the 14th February by The Lord Chancellor without

any Comment being made thereon by him or any other Member of the Government

present on that Occasion, and referred to the Select Committee on the Office of Clerk

of the Parliaments without any special Order or Instruction in relation thereto, that

Committee, when they met on Thursday the 16th February (Mr. Edmund's Resignation

having been already accepted by the House), had no Question to determine on the

Petition so referred to them but the Amount of retiring Pension, to which he was

entitled, and would have exceeded their Duty if without special Instruction from the

House they had proceeded to inquire into his Conduct in any Matter unconnected with

his Duties in this House.

2. That the Report having been presented on Friday the 17th February, was Ordered to

be laid on the Table, and was not agreed to until Friday the 24th February, whereby

sufficient "Delay was interposed before the Question was finally disposed of in favour of

the Pension" for any Lord acquainted with Circumstances which ought to have been

known to the House before the Report was adopted to have brought the same under

the Consideration of the House,-Lord Redesdale)
After long debate, previous Question put, Whether the said Question shall
be now put?-(The Earl of Derby)-Resolved in the Negative.

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LEONARD EDMUNDS, ESQ.-Petition of Leonard Edmunds-

"For postponement to a reasonable Time of the Motion to rescind the Resolution of the

House of the 24th February agreeing to the Report of the Committee on the Office of

the Clerk of the Parliaments and Office of Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod made

on the 17th February, so far as relates to the Recommendation of the said Committee

that a retiring Provision of £800 per Annum should be allowed to the Petitioner, and

to be heard by Counsel and Agents at the Bar of this House, or before the Parliament

Office Committee, or any other Committee in support of the said Resolution."

Presented by Lord Wynford; and, after short debate, Ordered to lie on the

Table

LEONARD EDMUNDS, ESQ.-Moved,

To rescind the Resolution of the House of the 24th February agreeing to the Report of

the Committee on the Office of the Clerk of the Parliaments and Office of Gentleman

Usher of the Black Rod made on the 17th February, so far as relates to the Recom-

mendation of the said Committee that a retiring Provision of £800 per Annum should

be allowed to Leonard Edmunds, Esquire."-(The Lord President)

After short debate, Motion agreed to.

COMMONS, TUESDAY, MAY 9.

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INDIAN OFFICERS-Her Majesty's Answer to Address [2nd May] reported

CHAIN CABLES AND ANCHORS-Question, Mr. Laird; Answer, Mr. Milner Gibson

ARMY-PROMOTION IN RIFLE CORPS-Question, Colonel Sykes; Answer, The

Marquess of Hartington

CASE OF CONSTANCE KENT-Question, Mr. Whalley; Answer, Sir George Grey

ARMY-ARMSTRONG AND WHITWORTH GUNS-Question, Mr. H. Baillie; Answer,

The Marquess of Hartington

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BANKRUPTCY LAWs-Question, Mr. Paull; Answer, The Attorney General

ELECTION FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF OXFORD Question, Sir Robert Clifton;

Answer, The Chancellor of the Exchequer ..

INDIA-IRRIGATION WORKS-Question, Mr. Liddell; Answer, Sir C. Wood

AZEEM JAH (SIGNATURES TO PETITIONS)-Adjourned debate [8th May] resumed

After further debate, Amendment, and Motion, by leave, withdrawn.

Ordered, That the Report on the Committee on Azeem Jah (Signatures to

Petitions) be re-committed to the said Committee,-(Mr. Attorney General.)

Petition of George Morris Mitchell [presented 8th May] referred to the

Committee.

RAILWAYS-GUARDS AND PASSENGERS COMMUNICATION—

Motion made, and Question proposed,

"That it is the opinion of this House, that the safety of the Public requires that, pending

the Report of the Royal Commission, some immediate provision should be made for com-

pelling Railway Companies to make arrangements for establishing a proper communica-

tion between Guards and Passengers,"-(Sir William Gallwey)

After debate, Motion, by leave, withdrawn.

"To inquire into the operation of the Act for the regulation and inspection of Mines, and

into the complaints contained in Petitions from Miners in Great Britain with reference

thereto, which have been presented to the House during the present Session."—(Mr.

Ayrton)

Local Government Supplemental (No. 4) Bill—(Mr. Baring) — ordered; read 1o.

[Bill 132]

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COMMONS, WEDNESDAY, MAY 10.

Church Rates Commutation Bill [Bill 35]-

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the Bill be now read a second

time," (Mr. Newdegate)

Amendment proposed, to leave out the word now," and at the end of the

Question to add the words " upon this day six months,"-(Sir C. Douglas)

Question proposed, "That the word 'now' stand part of the Question."

After long debate, Question put :-the House divided; Ayes 42, Noes 126;

Majority 84:-Words added:-Main Question, as amended, put, and

agreed to:-Bill put off for six months:-Division List, Ayes and Noes

County Voters Registration Bill [Bill 59]-

Moved, "That it be an Instruction to the Committee, that they have power

to extend the provisions of the Bill relating to the powers and duties of

revising barristers to the case of registration in cities and boroughs,"—

(Mr. Hunt)

Motion agreed to:-Bill considered in Committee.

After debate, Bill reported; as amended, to be considered on Monday next,
and to be printed. [Bill 135.]

Theatres, &c., Bill [Bill 64]—

Order for Second Reading read; but it being a quarter before Six o'clock;

Second Reading deferred till To-morrow.

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Metropolitan Toll Bridges Bill-[Bill 47]-Committee nominated (see p. 1060.)

County of Sussex Bill-(Mr. Dodson)-Ordered; read 1°. [Bill 138]

Smoke Nuisance (Scotland) Acts Amendment Bill (Mr. William Miller) -

ordered; read 1o. [Bill 139]

Ecclesiastical Leasing Act (1858) Amendment Bill-(Mr. Walpole) — ordered;

read 1°. [Bill 140]

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LORDS, THURSDAY, MAY 11.

County Courts Equitable Jurisdiction Bill (No. 98)-

Moved, That the Bill be now read 3a.-(The Lord Chancellor)

106

After debate, Motion agreed to:-Bill read 3* accordingly, and passed, and

sent to the Commons.

THE IMPERIAL GAS COMPANY'S WORKS AT CHELSEA-Observations, The Bishop of

London; Reply, Lord Ravensworth

Companies Workmens' Education Bill [H.L.] — presented (The Lord Archbishop of

York);-and read 1a. (No. 102)

COMMONS, THURSDAY, MAY 11.

FOREIGN WINES-Question, Sir FitzRoy Kelly; Answer, The Chancellor of the

Exchequer

FORTIFICATIONS IN CANADA-Question, Mr. B. Cochrane; Answer, Mr. Cardwell 114

INDIA-LAND TENURES OF OUDE-Question, Lord Stanley; Answer, Sir

Charles Wood..

114

TRANSPORT OF TROOPS TO INDIA-Question, Lord Stanley; Answer, Sir C. Wood 114

Union Chargeability Bill [Bill 31]-

Order for Committee read; Motion made, and Question proposed,

“That it be an Instruction to the Committee, with a view to rendering the working

of the system of Union Chargeability more just and equal, that they have power to

facilitate in certain cases the alteration of the limits of existing Unions,"-(Mr. Bentinck)

After long debate, Question put:-Ayes 118, Noes 193; Majority 75 .. 116

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That Mr. Speaker do now leave the

Chair, "-(Mr. C. P. Villiers)