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cut of enabling Government to obtain them. He analyzed the preamble, and indeed the whole of that part of the Bill which reierred to the objects stated in the preamble, declaring that they were mischievous and impolitic, tending to weaken the iorce of the militia, and, what was still worse in times like the present, to destroy discipline and subvert subordination. He shewed that the giving the private an unqualified right to demand his discharge from the colonel or commanding officer, and leaving the latter no discretion whatever, but obliging him to grant it, could have no other tendency but to destroy discipline. The clauses of the Bill, the Marquis said, went much further than the words of the preamble led those who read it to expect, and the provisions contained in the clauses far exceeded the ideas entertained by the militia officers at the meeting alluded to. His chief objection went, however, to that part of the Bill which regarded the men to be discharged from the militia in service, in aid of the artillery corps. The only limitation prescribed was, one out of ten, which upon the whole number would amount to five thoufa-H, and those taken from the militia, when they were in camp and in actual service. How was this great deficiency to be supplied, and especially at such a time of year? The Bill said, volunteers were to be recruited by beat of drum; but where were men to be got at that time of year, and what authority had he or any other Colonel of militia, to compel his officers to go upon the recruiting service? He knew not of any. Another impropriety in the Bill was, the bounty money was stated equally, and was the fame through*out the kingdom; whereas their Lordships well knew, that in some counties men were to be got much more readily for two or three guineas, than for ten in others •, a discretion, therefore, ought to have been given to officers to act accordingly.

With regard to the part of the Bill that referred to seafaring men, it was open to much abuse, as a seaman might accept the bounty and enlist one day, and demand his discharge the next, in order to go to sea; because although seafaring men could not be balloted for militia-men in the first instance, they might be taken as substitutes. In fact, there was neither of the provisions of the Bill which went to its two main objects, that was not highly exceptionable. The Noble Earl had complained of the taking away the men for the artillery service, as a particular hardship to him, because he had made an offer to train forty men for the corps of artillery, and his offer had been rejected. He complained of it as a personal hardship to him for a dircctlv contrary reason, viz, because

, that that he had made a similar offer, and that offer had been accepted. The men so trained were to be taken from him twice.

Having gone through his objections to the main parts of the Bill, the Marquis declared, there were various others which he could state, but he would confine himself to those topics which had been principally rendered the subject of that day's debate. The remainder of the Bill consisted of clauses wholly irrelative to the statement in the preamble, and were clearly thrown in as ingredients of the truss of a militia Bill, which he had experienced in the House of Commons to be generally considered as that fort of mtss, in the cooking of which a variety of Gentlemen thought themselves entitled to have a hand. His Lordship made some general remarks on that part of the Bill, and concluded with declaring his concurrence in the opinion of the Noble Earl who opened the debate, with whom he said he should vote.

Lord Mulgrave said, he was not much accustomed to take a part in debates upon Bills relating to the militia, as the service he had been bred to and had been in all his life, led his mind to considerations of a different nature. There had fallen one or two observations however from the Noble Marquis, which he could not but take notice of, and first that of a militia colonel not having any authority to oblige his officers to go upon the recruiting service. If the present Bill passed, there was a clause in it authorising the commanding officers of the militia, or officers acting by their authority, to raise recruits by beat of drum, and the colonels and officers of the regular army had no other authority. The main object of the Bill, his Lordship observed, was to remove such men from the militia ranks, as in truth ought not to be in them, seafaring men and men qualified to serve in the corps of artillery; in fact, therefore, it did not affect the militia, properly so considered, but merely those who ought noty strictly speaking, to serve as-militia-men. With regard to the hardship complained of, it was not confined to the militia. The regular army were obliged to give up seamen when called for by the Admiralty, and so likewise were those corps, which he considered as the mongrels of die military service, he meant the fenciblcs. His Lordship expatiated far some little time, on these topics, and declared he; (hould support the Bill.

The Marquis of Buckingham replied, and maintained his former argument with respect to a militia colonel's having no authority to oblige his officers to go upon the recruiting service. The Marquis also noticed what the Noble Lord who' spoke last had said, respecting the seamen to whom, on application, plication, the commanding officers of the militia were directed to grant their discharge, which the Noble Lord had declared, if it was any hardship, was a hardship felt equally by the regular army, and what the Noble Lord had been pleased to term the mongrels of the military service. That did not in the least, the Marquis said, diminish the evil complained of, much less did it go to the greater evil stated, viz. the obligations imposed on the commanding officers of the militia, respecting the men to be discharged for the artillery service.

Lord Mulgrave was upon his legs once or twice to explain. Ihe Earl of Radnor declared that he had not heard any argument in the course of the debate sufficiently weighty to do away the strong objections he had stated against the still, and •which he felt very seriously ; he should therefore persist in objecting to the Bill being committed.

Earl Spencer rose again, and expressed his concern that none of the arguments, which in his mind had been so power»fully urged in support of the Bill, should have had the effect of removing from the Noble Earl's mind the objections which he entertained against it. Having, as he had before stated, served in the militia for some years, and being sincerely attached to it, if he really could perceive any just cause for serious complaint, he would not for one give his vote for the Bill; it ought to be recollected that in times of singular exigency like the present, no measure of the nature of an experiment could be suggested, which had not its inconveniencies; but under circumstances, when every exertion must be made, and every means resorted to for the defence of «the country that could be hit upon, and was likely to conduce to thcobject, it was incumbent on individuals to submit to the temporary difficulty of the moment, whatever it might be, for the sake os the general safety of the kingdom.

The question was put, and their Lordships divided, when the numbers were,

Contenti. . - - . - 2 3

Net-Can tefttt - .- 6

Majority 17

The Bill was ordered to be committed to a Committee of the whole House, on Wednesday the 27th instant.

Lord Grcnville presented a1 S6py-of the convention, signed at Vienna on the 4th instant, between his Imperial Maji-lly and the King of Great Britain, relative to the loan of four million eight hundred thousand pounds.


Friday, M/iy 22.

A motion was made and agreed to, "That the House at rising adjourn to Wednesday next."

The Speaker ordered two writs to be issued for the election of burgesses to serve in Parliament for the borough of Yarmouth, and the borough of Agmondesham, in the room os Henry Bcaufoy and Wiiliam Drake, Esqrs. both deceased.

Mr. Secretary Dundas brought up an account of the dis'ferent sums of money paid to the Emperor by his Majesty's, commanders, with the dates of the respective payments.— Ordered to be laid on the table.


Mr. Wilbersorce said, that he rose to give notice os his in* tention to bring forward on Wednesday next a motion respect, ing peace. As private business was now almost over, he hoped that a sufficient number of Members would attend on that day in proper time to make a House.

Mr. Coke (of Norfolk) said, he hoped from the intimation which the Hon. Gentleman had now given, that he would, himself attend in his place; (this alluded to the absence of Mr. Wilbersorce the preceding day, at the time when the House was counted out.)

Captain Berkeley gave notice of his intention after the re- • cess, to move for leave to bring in a Bill for tlie more easily convicting persons selling ale without licences.

On the question that the Datchet Canal Bill be now read a third time, the House divided,

Ayes - . - - 63
Noes 32 ."

The Bill was read a third time and passed.
In consequence of a summons from the Black Rod,
The Speaker stated, that he had attended in the House of
Peers, where the Royal assent had b*en given, by commis-
sion, to the Dutch Property Bill, and several other public and
private Bills.


Mr. Secretary Dundas brought down a copy of a Convention between his Britannic Majesty and the Emperor, signed at Vienna on the 4th of May 1795. 1 The Chancellor of the Exchequer moved, that it be printed,

for the use of the Members, and taken into consideration in a Committee of the whole House on Thursday next.

Vot.UI. Tl Mr.

Mr. Fox suggested that there was another buGness which stood for discussion on that day (the motion on the papers relative to the conduct of Sir Charles Grey and Sir John Jervis during their command in,the West Indies).

The Chancellor of the Exchequer said, that it would be more convenient for the House, that the other business should be postponed, as the discussion on the Convention between his Majesty and the Emperor would require to be followed up with a Bill.

In consequence of Mr. Barham signifying his acquiescence, his motion was postponed till Tuesday, June 2.

Some conversation took place on the Call of the House; Mr. Stanley moved, that for the convenience of Members, it should be discharged; but Mr. Wilberforce suggesting that, as several Members had come from a considerable distance in the country, if the Call should now be discharged, it might lessen the respect to Calls in future, the motion was withdrawn, and it was understood that the Call should take place on Thursday next, the day for which it was appointed.

Air. Martin concurred in sentiment with Mr. Wilberforce, that if Calls of the House were so seldom to be enforced, all respect for-them would necessarily cease.

Mr. Porter prefaced his motion for granting an addition of pay to subaltern officers in the army, with stating the difference of times when that pay was adjusted, and the subsequent rise in all the articles of life. He mentioned the increase that had since been given to the soldiers, and the allowance lately granted to officers in the militia; and concluded with moving, that an humble address be presented to his Majesty, requesting his Majesty to take into consideration the state of the pay of subalterns in the regiments of infantry, Bcc. and to take such measures for their relief as to his wisdom shall seem meet, and the House will make good the same.

The Secretary at War objected to the motion, on account of the time and mode in which it was brought forward; it involved too great a change to be hastily adopted, more particularly as there was no necessity of the service, which called for any such augmentation as that proposed by the Hon. Gen? tlcman.

General Tar/cton said, that as additional allowances had been granted to subalterns of the militia, that House was in a particular manner-called upon to consider those of the line; the Jattcr, engaged in war and danger, subject to all the vicissitudes of heat and cold, in all the climates of the world, would receive no increase} whilst the former met assistance and 3 \90m1

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